The Arizona "Audit"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 30, 2021.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    He was not like that before but seem to turn to the Dark Side with the conspiracy theories, Trumpism and stuck on some weird repeat loop of "anti-liberalism"...more noticeable even when the topic is not political because I've seen him do such in the trading related threads...

    Actually, it was the latter when I first notice such a few years back when I saw the denials of the problems with the prior administration in the Oval office.

    Regardless, all prior audits have not uncover any widespread fraud and the few times they did find voter fraud...it was mainly on the Republican side.

    The sad part
    , even after this Arizona audit does not find any widespread fraud that can turn the election result in Arizona...

    Will the bias audit reveal any Republican fraud it finds even if its small that does not give Biden a noticeable bigger victory margin ???

    Will the Democrats get tired of the same like results of these audits and fight back to request audits of the states that Trump won ???
    • Endless Stupidity because an audit in the wrong state could reveal something the GOP didn't expect to find about their side of the camp.
    Its a fact, urban areas are growing with the largest Ethnic communities and the GOP has not figure out a way to tap into the largest group of the United States for votes. They instead prefer to create laws to try to disenfranchise the Ethnic communities while keeping the low on their own fraud within the GOP.

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    #101     May 9, 2021
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  2. You're the one who would have cheated had you ever found your way to school.
     
    #102     May 9, 2021
  3. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    There's an education gap in the political debates here @ Elitetrader.com that's reflective in American Politics. If ET was different...it would be shocking.

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    Trump overwhelmingly leads rivals in support from less educated Americans @ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans

    America Is Divided by Education

    The gulf between the party identification of white voters with college degrees and those without is growing rapidly. Trump is widening it @ https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...cation-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

    Why Americans who didn’t finish college voted for Trump @ https://nypost.com/2016/11/19/why-americans-with-some-college-voted-for-trump/

    Why did so many women who voted for President Trump not graduate from high school ?


    How deep do you want this rabbit hole to go?

    The surface reason is that it isn’t unique to women — we see the same trends by education. Looking at the CNN exit polls, high school grads who didn’t go on to more education/training and high school dropouts voted for Trump by a majority of 51%. It gets stronger if you break it down by race, though there you have to have fewer categories to keep a reasonable number of people in each category: 66% of white folks who don’t have a college degree voted for Trump. Actually, women, even those who didn’t graduate high school, were less likely to vote for Trump than their male peers[1].

    Keep in mind that this is an exit poll — asking people who they voted for as they were leaving their voting sites, so we can check it versus the popular vote in the area.

    But let’s see if this trend holds up. Looking at Trump’s approval ratings, in February 2017, his approval rating was 15 percentage points higher among folks who didn’t go to college than among folks who went for a Master’s or Doctorate, with the college grads and ‘some college’ folks in between. In December 2017, the gap has narrowed to only 11 percentage points higher[2]. I can’t find any breakdown by race (since that was and continues to also be a major difference).

    Why is Trump more popular to those with little education? Well, there does seem to be a general trend that people with more educational attainment (they complete college and go on for even more education) identify as Democrats.[3] So those female high-school dropouts may also have voted for Romney and McCain.

    The nice folks at 538 also looked at if they could separate out income and education, since in general the high school dropouts are also probably the working poor. They noticed that even if you ignore the effects of income, the less educated still voted Trump[4]. One theory they have to explain this is that education might be a better proxy for our ideas of ‘class’ than actual income: an auto-worker might have an excellent union, so get paid better than the receptionist with a college degree, but they are more worried about their job being outsourced, and Trump’s protectionism sounds like a good idea.

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    #103     May 9, 2021
  4. Most Democratic voters in the inner cities do not even graduate from high school and people wonder why they then lead a criminal life. And worse yet, they let these illiterate people vote for the President.
     
    #104     May 9, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Arizona "audit" is a shiatshow that the "auditors" are making up as they go along.

    Yeah... these clowns want all the administrative passwords to the routers, voting machines, and other equipment.


    Maricopa County Sheriff Paul Penzone blasts Arizona Senate's election audit demand as a risk to law enforcement
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ction-audit-risks-law-enforcement/5004443001/

    Maricopa County Sheriff Paul Penzone called the Arizona Senate's demands for its audit of Maricopa County's presidential election "mind-numbingly reckless and irresponsible."

    Penzone said the law enforcement agency would be at risk if the county turned over the state Senate's intensified demand for certain routers, or digital copies of the routers. The Senate also is demanding certain administrative passwords to voting machines that county officials say they do not have.

    Providing the routers could compromise confidential, sensitive and highly classified law enforcement data and equipment, he said in a statement on Friday.

    "The Senate Republican Caucus' audit of the Maricopa County votes from last November's election has no stopping point. Now, its most recent demands jeopardize the entire mission of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office," Penzone's statement said.

    The county has provided all 2.1 million voter general election ballots, voter information and election equipment in response to state Senate subpoenas. The Senate gave the election materials to private contractors, which allowed the audit and recount to get underway at Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on April 23.

    But the county did not deliver certain routers that the state Senate sought in its original subpoenas, according to Senate liaison Ken Bennett.

    County Attorney Allister Adel explained in a letter to Bennett earlier this week that turning over the routers or "virtual images" of routers, poses a significant security risk to Sheriff’s Office law enforcement data, and "puts sensitive, confidential data belonging to Maricopa County's citizens — including social security numbers and protected health information — at risk as well."

    "We also learned that if criminal elements or others gained access to this data, it might compromise county and federal law enforcement efforts and put the lives of law enforcement personnel at risk," Adel wrote.

    Senate responds to DOJ: Auditors won't knock on voters' doors in AZ election review

    The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors met Friday in a closed-door session to discuss the issue, saying in the meeting agenda that the state Senate had indicated it would "take action" against the county and supervisors if the county doesn't provide the routers and passwords.

    After discussing the issue, Republican Supervisors Chairman Jack Sellers released a statement saying that the county could not provide the routers because of the security concerns, but also because doing so will "cripple County operations and cost as much as $6 million" if the county has to replace the routers while the auditors have them.

    Penzone: Demand would jeopardize law enforcement
    Penzone said that no matter what steps a private contractor promises to take, meeting the state Senate's demand could compromise the integrity of classified data, private information and law enforcement materials.

    "Access to this information would adversely affect the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office ability to protect critical evidence, data shared between law enforcement agencies, protected private information and individual passwords, all of which could be used to the detriment of citizens and law enforcement infrastructure," Penzone's statement said.

    Penzone, a Democrat re-elected to a second term in November, cautioned of the harm that comes from elected officials driven by partisan politics.

    The sheriff said transparency and accountability are democracy's foundation. "But when these words are misrepresented, it defies the fragile balance that exists between freedom and order and all that we believe in."

    What AZ Senate Republicans want
    Bennett said Saturday that he thought the routers were sought to address concerns from "people that have always suspected something nefarious about elections being connected to the internet."

    But independent contractors hired by the county already checked for that in a previous audit. The results from that audit found no malicious hardware on voting machines, found that the machines were not connected to the internet, and found that the machines were programmed to tabulate ballots accurately.

    Bennet said the state Senate's auditors initially sought to review the routers in the voting center, but were denied by the county. He said they were told it would be delivered when the county delivered the machines ahead of the audit.

    "And then that turned out not to be true. And then we were told we would be given virtual access. And now they've come up with a reason why virtual access doesn't work," Bennett said.

    The county attorney's letter to Bennett said further review found that even virtual images of the routers would not eliminate the risk to county data.

    The Senate's second demand is for the passwords to the county's ballot tabulators used on Election Day at voting centers.

    The private contractors conducting the audit returned most of the county's machines after pulling data from them, but hung onto the vote center tabulators.

    The passwords, according to Bennett, would give the auditors administrative access to voting machines.

    But the county says it does not have the administrative passwords.

    "The county has provided every password, user name and security key in its custody or control, as commanded by the Senate's subpoenas, and does not have any others,” Adel wrote in her letter to Bennett.

    Sellers said he wouldn't address "every allegation that people cook up these days." But he did, in a lengthy statement on Friday, take up the push for passwords.

    The password and security tokens the Senate wants provides access to Dominion Voting Systems' proprietary firmware and source code.

    "Elections administrators do not need to access this information to hold an election, and we do not have it in our custody," Sellers said.

    While critics on social media say the county's lack of access to the passwords means county officials were not able to complete a comprehensive and forensic audit of its voting machines earlier this year, a county elections department spokesperson said that is not true. Megan Gilbertson said that the auditors the county hired worked "directly with Dominion to access the necessary administrative security permissions to conduct their audits."

    Bennett told The Arizona Republic that he thought that would allow the auditors to run batch reports on ballots. The auditors could use these reports to compare the vote results of its hand count in smaller groups to the results of the county's original vote count, rather than comparing the overall total results.

    But Gilbertson said that the county already has provided the state Senate with the logs the contractors would need to perform searches that would allow them to produce batch reports, and the auditors do not need administrative access for that.

    Sellers said in his statement that the state Senate had threatened the supervisors with subpoenas again on Friday and said the Senate would compel them to come to the Senate and "explain what we have already made clear."

    Sellers emphasized the county is not participating in the state Senate's audit and that the two independent audits the county commissioned showed no foul play in the general election.

    "The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors takes its election oversight role seriously and will continue to defend the democratic process," Sellers said in the statement.
     
    #105     May 9, 2021
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  6. Is that why you voted for an illiterate president?
     
    #106     May 9, 2021
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Reminds me of Florida COVID numbers
     
    #107     May 9, 2021
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Biden?
     
    #108     May 9, 2021
  9. userque

    userque

    Donald Trump Speaks at a Fourth-Grade Level



    "You know how the President keeps telling us how he's a genius? Well, it turns out he isn't. There's a website called 'Factbase' that did an analysis of the first 30,000 words spoken in office by every President since Hoover, they loaded all the information into a computer and what their software found is that President Trump speaks at a fourth-grade level. Even more embarrassing is a letter that Trump wrote to his nine-year-old pen pal 'Pickle.'" ... More at video link
     
    #109     May 9, 2021
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    ABSOLUTELY FALSE (and made up besides)
     
    #110     May 9, 2021
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