The Arctic ice cap grows by 60% in a year.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. jem

    jem

    I was reading comments and found this insight into the data manipulation....


    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/ushcn.html#QUAL

    "The cumulative effect of all adjustments is approximately a one-half degree Fahrenheit warming in the annual time series over a 50-year period from the 1940's until the last decade of the century."
     
    #51     Sep 14, 2013
  2. OK. I will if you acknowledge it has warmed for 10 years 15 years 18 years 19 years 20 years 30 years 50 years.....get it moron? What the fuck is wrong with you turkeys and this 16 year crap. Are you THAT stupid? Don't answer that.

    Here's some relevant charts...... dipshit.


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    Can you understand this or is it too complicated?

    How about these....

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    Does any of this make sense to you? I hope you don't use charts in your trading . LOL
     
    #52     Sep 14, 2013
  3. You just can't post a chart can you?

    Oh so now it's about "data manipulation" so charts can't be trusted. Gimme a break. You're pathetic and insane. Is this all you do all day? You need counseling. Seriously.
     
    #53     Sep 14, 2013
  4. #54     Sep 14, 2013
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Not only can you not understand the British Met data that makes it very clear that the earth has not warmed for 16 years. You are also the character that pushes the 97% of scientists nonsense. No - 97& of scientists do not support that global warming is caused by man. The reality is that by this time next year over 50% of scientists will be openly skeptical of AGW.

    In about a decade "global warming" and "climate change" will be openly mocked in the media as a huge scientific fraud.
     
    #55     Sep 14, 2013
  6. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    We debate global warming while our tyrant president arms al Qaeda. Ok...
     
    #56     Sep 14, 2013
  7. Eight

    Eight

    Everybody on the Left here are just Alinskyite Trolls... I had fun with one a few years ago. She started screwing with me on a deal we had. When she violated the written contract she referred to verbal agreements, when she violated verbal agreements she referred to the written contract... so I made up a number, said she owed me that much. Every time she bullshitted me I raised the amount. Eventually I got legal aid to help me for a $20 donation and I collected a check from her Alinskyite lawyer... so what does he do? Insults me as I was leaving with the check in my hand.. she was from the "be creative" school, a real con artist, ex-reporter, loser Ameribitch..
     
    #57     Sep 15, 2013
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    You're just trying to get futurecurrents going.

    The chart indicates high temp anomalies are significantly exceeding low temp anomalies. It also shows there have been enough recent low temp anomalies to flatten the 5-year mean. The Met did not say warming has stopped, it has said the rate of warming increase has fallen.

    "The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is more than 90% certain that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.

    "National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

    " Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]
    " Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.[6]
    "Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale.[7] Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative.[7] Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming."[7]
    "[...] the range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time"[8]
    "The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources)"[9]

    "No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists,[10] which in 2007[11] updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[12] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions."

    Finally, granting for the sake of argument that warming has stopped, the world's ice may continue to melt, because it's "warm enough". This would continue until a new equilibrium is reached at higher altitudes and higher latitudes.
     
    #58     Sep 15, 2013
  9. Again with the 16 years. You are simply too stupid to realize how little that means or why that time frame is used. You're a stupider version of jem but maybe not quite as crazy.

    Yeah 97% of the world's climatologists actually do agree that almost all the warming over the last fifty years is due to man. Really. You can choose to ignore the facts but that's your problem.
     
    #59     Sep 15, 2013
  10. jem

    jem

    ricter I think you overstate the consensus... and the science is clearly far more confused than you pretend.

    here is a small critique of Hansens recent paper on the interplay between forcing aerosols co2 and temps.

    Note Hansen is one of the top agw nutters in the industry. He has never been afraid to spew crap and act like it is science.



    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/16/quote-of-the-week-hansen-concedes-the-age-of-flatness/

    Dr. James Hansen and Reto Ruedy of NASA GISS have written a paper (non peer reviewed) with a remarkable admission in it. It is titled Global Temperature Update Through 2012.

    Here is the money quote, which pretty much ends the caterwauling from naysayers about global temperature being stalled for the last decade.

    The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slow down in the growth rate of net climate forcing.

    Gosh, I thought Hansen had claimed that “climate forcings” had overwhelmed natural variability?

    In 2003 Hansen wrote a widely distributed (but not peer reviewed) paper called Can We Defuse the Global Warming Time Bomb? in which he argues that human-caused forcings on the climate are now greater than the natural ones, and that this, over a long time period, can cause large climate changes.

    As we shall see, the small forces that drove millennial climate changes are now overwhelmed by human forcings.

    According to Hansen’s latest essay, apparently not. So much for “da bomb”.

    Here are some other interesting excerpts from his recent essay, Bob Tisdale take note:

    An update through 2012 of our global analysis reveals 2012 as having practically the same temperature as 2011, significantly lower than the maximum reached in 2010. These short-term global fluctuations are associated principally with natural oscillations of tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures summarized in the Nino index in the lower part of the figure. 2012 is nominally the 9th warmest year, but it is indistinguishable in rank with several other years, as shown by the error estimate for comparing nearby years. Note that the 10 warmest years in the record all occurred since 1998.

    The current stand-still of the 5-year running mean global temperature may be largely a consequence of the facr [sic] that the first half of the past 10 years had predominantly El Nino conditions, and the second half had predominantly La Nina conditions.

    The approximate stand-still of global temperature during 1940-1975 is generally attributed to an approximate balance of aerosol cooling and greenhouse gas warming during a period of rapid growth of fossil fuel use with little control on particulate air pollution, but quantitative interpretation has been impossible because of the absence of adequate aerosol measurements.

    That last part about 1940-1975 is telling, given that we now have a cleaner atmosphere, and less aerosols to reflect sunlight, it goes without saying that more sunlight now reaches the surface. Since GISS is all about the surface temperature, that suggests (to rational thinkers at least) that some portion of the surface temperature rise post 1975 is due to pollution controls being enacted.

    But, he’s still arguing for an imbalance, even though flatness abounds. Seems like equilibrium to me…

    Climate change expectations.

    The continuing planetary imbalance and the rapid increase of CO2 emissions from fossil fuel assure that global warming will continue on decadal time scales. Moreover, our interpretation of the larger role of unforced variability in temperature change of the past decade suggests that global temperature will rise significantly in the next few years as the tropics moves inevitably to the next El Nino phase.

    Except when natural forcings overwhelm the human component of course.


     
    #60     Sep 15, 2013