Testing the Engulfing Candle Pattern - Daily

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by dasenbrj, Mar 14, 2014.

  1. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    To paraphrase Hamilton in The Stock Market Barometer; the market represents everything everyone knows, hopes, believes, anticipates, and all that knowledge is sifted down to the bloodless verdict of the marketplace. I guess that is the way I have approached TA. Everything that could possibly be known shows in up in the price, including irrationality and bias... what do you think?
     
    #21     Mar 14, 2014
  2. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    Wow... that post should be etched in stone at the top of some remote mountain somewhere.... excellent stuff. Thanks for sharing that. Damn consistent with everything that has came out of MCT lately, the trading Psych field guide, etc.
     
    #22     Mar 14, 2014
  3. game

    game

    I agree. But price cannot reflect all 'potentiality'. Which is why the great Buffet quote of the Market being a voting machine in the short term and a weighing machine in the long term is so powerful. The transitions between voting and weighing are not always smooth. They are often tumultuous cascades. FA can help in improving the probability of identifying these critical points and thus betting big when the time is right (TA).
     
    #23     Mar 14, 2014
  4. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    An interaction between TA and FA. Good stuff.

    Do you think a purely mechanical approach to TA is the best approach, or does a trader develop a useful intuition after years of studying charts, leading to a more discretionary approach?
     
    #24     Mar 14, 2014
  5. game

    game

    Dude I am a beginner. I am sure other more experienced traders can guide you there. However, I would re-iterate my earlier suggestion to approach this through the lens of trader behavior. Then, you can choose to make it as mechanical as the market permits you to make it.

    But permit me to share one more quote since you have been so receptive :)

    "You must be able to imitate nature before you have the right to interpret it"

    Antoine Bourdelle
     
    #25     Mar 14, 2014
  6. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    I like that quote. Sometimes I feel like a poser for talking like I know things, but I think a person has to have some thoughts to progress. If I perpetually tell myself "I don't know anything," that might just continue to be the truth. Admit that I could be wrong, and change my mind in an instant when I find out that I am wrong, but don't let that deter me from learning.
     
    #26     Mar 15, 2014
  7. Scaleout.Scalper

    Scaleout.Scalper Guest

    Out of curiosity, have you guys studied engulfing candles failures?

    ie You get an engulfing pattern and it fails immediately.
     
    #27     Mar 15, 2014
  8. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    No, I have not. How do you define failure exactly? There is more than one way to define it.
     
    #28     Mar 15, 2014
  9. dasenbrj

    dasenbrj

    I was thinking about last night, and I think I overstated the case a little bit. This means that the engulfing bearish reversal as I have defined it here is not very useful, empirically. But it may be more useful in context of other factors; the major/primary trend, the trend of the averages, and fundamental factors.

    I think if I had some reason to be bearish on a market, and this pattern developed it would give me a good point to consider entering or adding to a position.
     
    #29     Mar 15, 2014
  10. Scaleout.Scalper

    Scaleout.Scalper Guest

    You could study the following:

    - Pivotal breach by 1 tick

    - A close below/above the pivot

    - 2 LLs below the pivot/2 HHs above the pivot

    Obviously, the old conflict of lesser confirmation better fill or more confirmation worse fill will haunt you.

    If you want empirical data, this is where I would begin.
     
    #30     Mar 15, 2014