Tesla straddle

Discussion in 'Options' started by Pekelo, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    $550 per share is why, Calls for $35 could triple your money with a good earning release with only a $3500 per contract max loss, same move would only make you 20%.
     
    #11     Jan 28, 2020
  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Well, options are cheaper. If you want to be careful, you still can buy LEAPs. Or if you want to YOLO, just go ATM with Friday expiry and buy the calls before Wednesday.
     
    #12     Jan 28, 2020
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    The trade didn't work because price moved away BEFORE earnings. Still the position buy back only costs 73 right now, so minimal loss.

    Had I used the 580 midprice just before Wednesday close where the price was then, that position nicely collapsed to 52 bucks (selling it would have been for around 65) even though Tesla had a huge upmovement.

    So good idea, bad timing.
     
    #13     Jan 30, 2020

  4. Really? The only known is that the vol will rally before the report. Vol as synthetic time.

    What a terrible call.
     
    #14     Jan 31, 2020
  5. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    If you sold the same straddle just before earnings for $65 with 580 as midpoint, today you could have closed it for the same. Even my call could have been closed at yesterday's open for break even when price was 635ish.

    Was it a good call? Not particularly, but it wasn't terrible. :)
     
    #15     Jan 31, 2020
  6. I was referring to your comment that vol may drop. And no, you admitted it lost, so what exactly is your argument? Degrees of (your) stupidity?
     
    #16     Jan 31, 2020
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I am arguing the terribleness of the call. With options a terrible call when it blows up in your face and you lose 3 times what you risked. Buying back for let's say 70 what you sold for 65 isn't such a big deal.
     
    #17     Jan 31, 2020

  8. Your logic for taking the trade was fatally flawed.

    You shorted a combo in front of a binary event. There was no decay in the straddle which has to result in a rally in the vol-figure. Just stop recommending vol-trades as you're woefully out of your depth.
     
    #18     Jan 31, 2020
  9. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I disagree. Sure, Tesla tends to move 10%+ on earnings, but pretty much everyone agrees their numbers or any other news didn't justify the move they got out of the current report. My only problem was opening it way too early.

    Price of the 580 straddle (where price was) before Wednesday's close was 65. A few minutes after Thursday's open it was around 55, so that position could have been closed with a GAIN.

    But you are right, I will only recommend straight calls or puts in the future. Will that make you happy?

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    On a slightly related note: Dest, is that you? Do I have to give the gift card to myself?
     
    #19     Jan 31, 2020
  10. Your quotes are wrong.

    You stated the vol was a short. It wasn't. Vol rose. You lost $ on the trade but are intent on spinning it.

    You lost on the gift card as well as I've been gone more than two weeks.

    Blocked.
     
    #20     Jan 31, 2020