Tesla 2024

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by VicBee, Dec 19, 2023.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    IMO Tesla is getting creamed because of Musk's obstinance and erratic/distracted management.

    Giving him more money/control won't fix declining margins.
     
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    #411     Jun 11, 2024
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  2. He met the goals.

    They're not giving him anything.

    He earned it.

    A contract is a contract.
     
    #412     Jun 11, 2024
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    He rigged the contract against the majority of shareholders.

    Stock is less than half of alltime highs.

    He earned ... what he got.
     
    #413     Jun 11, 2024
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  4. He met the goals.

    They're not giving him anything.

    He earned it.

    A contract is a contract.
     
    #414     Jun 11, 2024
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Echo chambers are great for creating echoes. Nothing else.

    Stockholders, not us, get to decide - and it don't look good from what I'm reading.

    But funny thing is the lower stock price goes, the lower any potential financial package will be worth. He better get bizzy.
     
    #415     Jun 11, 2024
  6. They already decided.
     
    #416     Jun 11, 2024
  7. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Guess you "didn't get the memo" angry white man?

    Though admirable such concern for a billionaire.
     
    #417     Jun 11, 2024
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    (SEMAFOR)

    6/11/24

    EU set to announce Chinese EV tariffs

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    REUTERS/Annegret Hilse

    Germany is battling France in a last-minute attempt to avoid an all-out trade war with China over electric vehicles.
    The European Commission is expected to announce fresh tariffs on Chinese EV imports Wednesday, following a probe into unfair state subsidies, but Berlin has ramped up its lobbying to keep the duties as low as possible, Politico EU reported. The dynamics between the European Union’s two biggest powers are fraught: France is in support of punitive measures, while Berlin is worried that retaliation from Beijing could hurt big German automakers. Chinese EV makers, meanwhile, are confident they will retain business in Europe and are making long-term production investments. Shenzhen-based BYD is boosting its visibility by sponsoring this summer’s UEFA Euro soccer tournament — which Germany is hosting.

    + + +

    Another story (that I lost the link) said (Chinese owned) Volvo plans to "make" EV's in Europe. Belgium I believe? As a result of any new tariffs.
     
    #418     Jun 11, 2024
  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    (BLOOMBERG)

    And finally, here's what Joe’s interested in this morning
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    And one other thing that's on my mind right now. General Motors. Its stock is at a 2-year high. All you hear about these days is the absolute dominance of the Chinese auto companies, and yet here's the old legacy US player on a tear.

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    Of course, there's not some real contradiction here, we're just talking about two different models. China's players are running flat out, expanding and investing like crazy, pushing prices down, and expanding their footprint across the globe. BYD may be playing a big part in pushing China further out on the technological frontier, but there's not much left over for shareholders. Over the last two years, BYD shares are down over 20%.

    Meanwhile, GM just authorized $6 billion more in stock buybacks, though there’s more to GM's recent run. It's doing well in bread-and-butter truck and SUV sales. GM also believes that next year, its EV business will be profitable on an operating business basis (before interest and taxes). Still, part of the story here is that EV-related investments are going to slow here, so the company can distribute more cash to shareholders (in the form of buybacks and dividends).

    In US policy circles, there's obviously a lot of anxiety about the rise of Chinese auto OEMs (hence all the tariffs). But it's not clear whether the US legacy players can really *compete* technologically (or on cost) so long as shareholder-friendly capital allocation decisions are prioritized over a higher pace of sustained internal investment. Perhaps it's fine. We'll see.
     
    #419     Jun 12, 2024
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  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Contrast GM's stock chart (bottomed Oct of last year just like overall market) versus TSLA that is approximately $40 lower than Oct'23 price.

    Oh yea he earned it alright. Stock goes up I win, stock goes down ... I also win. This CEO thing is good.
     
    #420     Jun 12, 2024