The subject has been discussed ad nauseam and debunked over and over. In the US batteries are recycled or reused and it's probably the same in Europe. It might be more difficult elsewhere but car batteries are very valuable so I would think there's a supply chain market for them. Tesla batteries have a 100k miles or 10 years warranty. I've been looking at modifying a classic into an EV and can attest to the difficulty and cost to obtain Tesla batteries. With their new structural solution it gets very complicated to replace (as Monroe demonstrated). I wonder how Tesla services them... Maybe replace the vehicle? Of course, every auto manufacturer has a supply chain process. I'm only familiar with Tesla. It remains if we want to talk about that, ICE vehicles have been rotting in junk yards for many decades and engine oil seeping in the grounds of many of those and dirty garages.
Great news! The impact of replacing ICE trucks with EVs at the ports will be enormous. 1. Elimination of diesel pollution 2. Elimination of noise. As a result, the once poor neighborhoods around the ports will be worth fortunes and the smarter poor people will hang on to their houses for high cash payouts or better. Gentrification will mean safer neighborhoods on the waterfronts and many opportunities for development.
Recycling of Li batts leaves much to be desired. It's basically crush battery and extract powder and metals to start from scratch; very energy inefficient. One of the chinese comps. was taking the approach of repurposing (reduce, repurpose, recycle) retired transportation sector batteries into less mission critical storage batteries. Looks like China's banning the practice due to failure incidents though. nice utopia dream you got there. The reality is shipping freight will balloon as the rail infra isn't there to move product out of state (for similar look at post COVID and blocked Suez shipping costs). Carbon footprint likely to exacerbate as companies shift to less efficient and smaller gas powered trucks. Cali to lose billions in biz as shipping lanes open via Baja/AZ way or WA/OR. Blackstone et.al to buy up RE pennies on the dollar to displace low earners and "gentrify" rentals for high earners. Our rail system is woefully underutilized:
Tell more about the used oils and ICE engine recycling business for comparison... Lithium batteries recycling is a booming business. Everyone is now familiar with JB Strobel's Redwood Materials recycling for Tesla but there are well over a dozen global players in the sector. Nothing left to be desired, I assure you. You clearly don't know much about shipping and logistics on the West Coast. My scenario is far more likely to materialize than yours.
What is there to tell? All junkyard vehicles are drained before being put out on the yard per EPA regulations. Glycol is recycled, used oil is re-refined since it's much cheaper than starting from crude (many synthetics start this way). Cars spend a year or two in the yard as they're stripped of parts to be repurposed (to keep other cars on the road; a much more energy efficient endeavor than well to wheels footprint of a new car) before being crushed separated and melted. Do you think a junked tesla chassis doesn't get the same treatment as above? https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/vehicle-maintenance/oil-recycling.htm The EPA reports that roughly 380 million gallons of oil are recycled each year, which more effectively utilizes this valuable resource. In fact, it only takes one gallon of used oil to produce 2.5 quarts of new lubricating oil compared to 42 gallons of crude oil to produce the same. When re-refining oil, approximately one-third of the energy is needed compared to the process of removing impurities in crude oil to reach lubricant quality. This means that energy expenditure is more efficiently managed. Iron and aluminum melting (engine makeup) is amongst the most efficient processes in the recycling business. Same can't be said about lithium recovery. In fact, recycling scrap steel uses 75 percent less energy to process than iron ore, while recycling aluminum uses 95 percent less energy. I am a fan of redwood, and their bulk recovery rates are very promising. I've yet to see energy use to recover said raw material and how it compares to staring from scratch though. Them and a Euro company are using liquid Nitrogen last i heard before crushing. Li. recycling hurdles isn't some unknown, I am not sure how this is even debatable. You clearly don't know much about recycling of materials. I guess we will. I know most truckers aren't into saving the planet or having a truck not moving 24/7 vs waiting for a charge or wasting real estate storing spares. The proposition of moving to gasoline or PHEV trucks to run the Cali section seems more tenable.
This is a surprising statistic. Motor oil doesn't "go bad", it just gets dirty. So all that needs to be done is filter the HELL out of the old oil to make it reusable. But we lose nearly 50% of the original oil in the process?
I agree that both EV and ICE vehicles require a fair amount of post utilisation processing. You suggested EVs aren't meeting their part of the bargain because their batteries. My point is ICE vehicles are at least as complicated. EV tech is moving so fast that I expect their recyclability will be much higher than ICE vehicles. As for ports and trucking, 99% of those trucks simply go from port to warehouse and back multiple times a day. Due to port congestion, it's usual for truckers to have to wait well over an hour in line to pick up or drop off a container. While the system would need to evolve to give truckers the opportunity to charge while not losing their place in the queue, that's simple logistics with difficult actors. Port zones are socially poor today because few who can afford it want to live around diesel pollution from ships, port equipment and trucks. Over the decades truckers have had to upgrade their engines every few years to meet pollution regulations, but switching to EV would change everything. Ships are already required to use shore power when berthed, electric port equipment is being tested to replace diesel, so trucks are last in the chain and most polluting (diesel and noise). When the switch is complete there will be no more pollution from ports on now highly valuable real estate because of the water views. For example, West Oakland is poor, dangerous and polluted. It's also flat, with prime views of the bay, easy access to multiple freeways and a commuter train station. Within 15 years it will become the most sought after real estate in the Bay, particularly if the Oakland A's ballpark is built on... port property. All that because of the switch from diesel power to electric.
Then you're agreeing to something I'm not saying at all. An EV & an ICE chassis are recycled identically....An ICE engine and transmission is just more added mass of the same elements a chassis is made of (iron and aluminum). You shred it, you separate it, you melt it. You can't do that w/an LI battery installed. [/QUOTE] I remain skeptical.
Report: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/special-report-tesla-workers-shared-135329460.html
From my experience, it is time to load up TSLA again. Last time I went heavy was on a quarter when they were about to open a Shanghai factory. Now they are building a battery factory in a typical "China Speed", probably less than a year. Also if TSLA were to introduce a "compact" EV sedan, they will crash every car company in the US. Outside of the US there will be BYD and VW to compete with.