You're right, hillcast2. Btw, do you know if any of your Atocha friends happen to have had any long EUR/USD positions they may have wanted to get rid of? Was just wondering... Sam
It has just just been announced in the news that the techniques of the bombs used ressemble the one from Alquaeda.
Harry, can you pls provide a link to the news story? Because I still come up with it as being a "mystery" as of 2 hours ago. http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13428144 Thanks, Sam
Your allegation that WTC #7 collapsed due to a "conspiracy theory" based on a "controlled demolition" is pretty naive, let alone absurd, with no foundation whatsoever. First of all, I lived just west of World Financial Center #1 at the Gateway Plaza Apartment Complex from 1984 to 1990 and saw WTC #7 go up in 1985. As a result, I pretty familiar with the location of WTC #7 as well as it's proximity to the Twin Towers, the Customs Building, and WTC #4 where I was employed as a floor trader. It is widely known that WTC #7 was the location for Mayor Guiliannis $13 million dollar Command Bunker. It is also widely known that a giant 6,000 gallon diesel fuel tank was positioned about 15 feet above the ground floor and near several lobby elevators and was meant to fuel generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd-floor bunker in the event of a power failure. Salomon Smith Barney also had 2 very large 6,000 gallon fuel tanks that provided for the emergency generators located in the building. These fuel tanks were located underground below the loading dock and SSB had supply and return piping up to their offices on floors 1-6, 13, and 18-46. Silverstein Properties ( the owner of the building ) also had 2 very large 12,000 gallon fuel tanks located under the loading dock on the ground level as well, with supply and return piping. I turn your attention to Section 5.6.2 of the World Trade Center Building Performance Study by FEMA, entitled Probable Collapse Sequence on Page #30 of the accompanying weblink in "pdf-file" format. http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch5.pdf Remember, the fire in WTC #7 had been burning for 7 hours before the building finally collapsed. But since you are obsessed with "conspiracy theories" . . . you might just want to skip that report since you would not be open to it and instead, concentrate on the following facts: The IRS, Department of Defense, and the CIA all had offices on the 25th floor. The U. S. Secret Service was a tenant of the 9th and 10th floors . . . perhaps you can spin that into one of your infamous "conspiracy theories" that litter the rest of Elitetrader. Good Luck.
It is has been said that I hate America more than anyone due to my postings. It is not true. I don't hate America (I happen to have been born and live in California). I don't hate any nation. I am against terrorism and drug laundering as much as anyone. I believe in and uphold all laws. The only war I am involved in is the war on poverty. I can see that the Islamic ("extremist" or otherwise) war against the USA and its allies is rooted in spiritual issues. Those issues are as old as mankind itself. I cry as much as anyone over Spain's recent bombing due to the suffering of people, but I am sensible enough to respect religious (presuming Islam had something to do with the bombing) movements. Let's face it, Jesus Christ was the first victim of a "terrorist" strike. Immediately after his crucifixion His followers were also struck numerous times terrorist style. The Jews did that. Anybody who claims otherwise is a liar. According to the Bible, the middle east was given to the Jews by God but due to their rebellion (they rebel to this day) against God, God took it from them. Ishmael, Abraham's other son, is the father of the Islamic movement. God granted inheritance to Ishmael as well. God appointed it: "And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. "And he (Ishmael) will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Genesis 16:11,12. Notice that verse says "and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." It doesn't say anything about the USA coming in and effing with that part of the globe. But Bush is void of wisdom. A structural problem is the relation between Israel and Palestine. The middle east is of Islamic persuasion/descent. Practising Jews in Israel are of no descent other than rebellion against the "LORD God." The Bible indicates that Jews are "contrary to all men." "Who (the Jews) both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:...." 1 Thessalonians, Chapter 2. USA backs Israel 100% due to "misinterpretation" of Scripture that avails the false "Christianity" movement in America to heap up gold - big gold. When I say, "false Christianity movement" I mean that "Christianity" is opposite of the true religion called "the Christian Faith." It is therefore falsely presumed that "the will of Jesus Christ" is to support Israel and Jews, when, in reality, it is not. That is the reason why America and its allies are getting whacked by terrorists ongoing. They want America to stop supporting Israel and to back out of middle eastern affairs. Think about it, IF God Himself continues to fight against Jews and Israel (just read the Bible and you can see that this is what is going on), yet the USA refuses to withdraw support for Israel yet is against the Palestinians (descendants of Philistines - the number one enemy of Israel for the last 1,000s of years), then America lines up against God Himself. ANY idiot can see that. Therefore, was it truely "Evil" what happened on 9/11? Just depends on which side spiritually you are on. Sure, most people, including myself, see human suffering as "Evil." But, then, it is NOT "Evil" to kill all the people that have been killed and wounded in Iraq due to the USA going to war with Iraq? Suddenly, people suffering - that is not "Evil?" Hm.... Ohh-Kayyy. I guess that must be because the USA did it - due to WOMD - that do not exist... *ahem*.... New election... time for a policy change. Right? By the way, does Kerry support the war in Iraq? If he does not, that makes him "Evil?" Does not that mean that Bush should label him as a "terrorist" and exterminate him too? Soros said "Bush is a threat." Does not that mean that Bush should label him as a "terrorist" and exterminate him too? Warren Buffett is shorting the USD. Does not that mean that Bush should label him as a "terrorist" and exterminate him too? If you EVER make a single trade AGAINST USD... Does not that mean that Bush should label YOU as a "terrorist" and exterminate you too? Face it, shorting USD means you are against the USA therefore are a supporter of everything contrary USA. Terrorism is contrary USA therefore you support terrorism by default based on Bush's standards. Right? Therefore, for Bush to do his job against terrorism, he needs to head to the markets, recover every trade record of every person on the globe who shorted USD, round them all up as "terrorists" and kill them all as "Evil." Remember, the Bible gives very strong indicatation that God killed, terrorist style, every living person and thing on the planet (read the flood - other than those in the ark). How much worse can you get than that? By that standard, set by the Lord, 9/11 pales. Therefore, by USA's standards, God Almighty is "Evil." And, the leader of America, Bush, wants to wipe out "Evil." If God decided today to kill the globe as the Bible indicates He did in the flood, the USA would go to war with Him seeing Him as Evil. Is it not true? If God decides to kill a nation, the USA would go to war with Him seeing Him as Evil. Is it not true? If God decides to do anything contrary to the standards of the USA, the USA would go to war with Him seeing Him as Evil. Is it not true? *YAWN* ... I live in America and am a staunch supporter of all of its laws. But America with its "poor=refuse" stance has given me poverty to suffer in for the past 25 years. I have worked as hard as any other. Yet, because I don't lie and cheat I have lived in very painful poverty. The government of America has done little to change the war on poverty - and I, among many, have suffered as a result. I trade forex now with the goal of releasing myself from this dire poverty. Anyway... Good trade, Sam