Terror futures market back in business!

Discussion in 'Trading' started by funky, Nov 17, 2003.

  1. Hahaha yeah let's go: let's create a market for assassination and genocide and of course pretext that it is for public's health. I am sure you believe any politician when they pretend that they do such or such thing for the public health !

    You know who would very pleased for that kind of bets ?

    "America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
    -- Josef Stalin (1879-1953) Communist leader of the USSR

    Of course Staline is dead but are you crazy enough that there are not thousands of Staline's clone spirit ?

    Really some would sell their country, mother and father to ennemies for the "market" under the pretext of public health hahaha ! Of course there will be even some real naïve and stupid guys who would be true believers in that it is for the "good" cause in the same way that arabs terrorists believe to do Allah's justice ! In fact that's the way endoctrinment works: people must believe in stupid and simplistic idea. As Einstein would say :

    "He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."

    #21     Nov 18, 2003
  2. You want a proof from the Russians ? This is a Pravda's article - I remind you that it is the MAIN newspaper in Russia and it is very RECENT - SEPTEMBER of this year - that I personnally had taken from their site and posted the link immediatly http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23078&highlight=pravda

    Weapons of the Future - Weather, Plasma and Money
    09/26/2003 20:03

    The perspective planning department is a top secret structure in the US Defense Department, which deals with the development of weapons of the future. There are such departments in the Russian Defense Ministry of course, as well as in other military departments of other countries. Needless to mention that all those developments make a state secret.

    The question of weapons of the future is actual not only for military men, but for all people living on the planet. Experts of the Phenomenon commission made a forecast of the future weapons. The forecast was solely based on various publications in the press.

    The first question about the military future of humanity is definitely connected with wars. One may not say that there will be absolutely no wars in the future. According to scientific calculations, about 15,000 wars have taken place on the planet during the recent 5,5 thousand years. More than 3.5 billion people have been killed in the wars. There were only 292 peaceful years in the entire history of the mankind. There is no reason to believe that something will change in the future. The human civilization is based on aggressiveness and war. Huge funds have been spent on armies and defense industries - the inseparable part of the modern economy of any country. Unfortunately, the situation will be preserved in the 21st century too.

    According to experts' estimates, a global war is likely to happen in the future as well - it will be 30 percent likely to occur. In addition to nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, there will be more sophisticated weapons of mass destruction used - they are currently being developed in secret laboratories.

    It has recently transpired that Russian scientists are working on the so-called plasma weapon. Academician Avramenko says, the plasma weapon will be capable of repulsing air and even space attacks. The controllable bunch of power created with the help of powerful ground lasers can destroy any aircraft and any missile when it approaches a defended area. It is a horrible weapon, although it has several disadvantages too. Ground generators can be easily detected and then destroyed. Probably, people will use autonomous and solar weapons in the future. The solar weapon was used already in the III century B.C. when Greek mathematician Archimedes burnt the Roman fleet with the help of mirrors and the sun. Unfortunately, such weapon stops working in bad weather. However, mirrors can be taken to space to avoid the weather problem. The temperature in the center of the focused solar current can reach thousands of degrees. Such a powerful ray can reach the ground from space through thick layer of clouds. This weapon will be capable of melting and burning any target. However, this weapon has a rather big disadvantage: it destroys everything on a large area around the target, like an A-bomb. A winner does not need the burnt barren land. A neutron bomb is a lot better in this respect, because it kills every living being, but non-living objects remain intact. Yet, there is no use of a town if there are no people there. Genetic poison will probably be used in the future as the most optimal variant to destroy a part of the population, even a certain specific part. Each human race has an individual genetic code. Genetic differences may lay the ground of the genetic weapon. It will be possible to create genetic viruses to exterminate a certain group of people on the planet.

    Terrorism of the 21st century will enter the new technological level too. As it is well known, spy satellites can read the title of a newspaper on the ground. A laser of a killer satellite can destroy any target on the Earth's surface, which is rather convenient for large terrorist acts - it will not be possible to identify the "nation" of the satellite, because a laser can be shot from any location in space filled with other countries' satellites.

    New discoveries and technologies will be gradually coming out of secret laboratories. Most probable weapons of the future include:

    Bioelectronical weapon. Professor G.Bogdanov patented the generator to fight termites. The generator's radiation kills insects paralyzing their nerve system. One shall assume, a certain frequency of the appliance can kill people too.

    Meteorological weapon. It is possible to make specified weather on a specified territory changing the electric charge of the air. Hard rains, droughts, blizzards can cause a very serious damage to an enemy. It is known that Russian scientists were working in the field of the meteorological war in the city of Obninsk.

    Tectonic weapon. Artificial earthquakes will probably be used in the future as a weapon to level cities and towns. Military departments of Russia and the USA strongly reject such a possibility at present. However, Professor E. Kerimov of the Earth Physics Institute believes that scheduled natural disasters are quite real. Yet, official departments reject the existence of all above-mentioned weapons.

    It is not ruled out that the wars of the future will be taking place without the explicit use of weapons. A disastrous nuclear explosion is very effective, but other methods are very efficient too, when enemies do not realize they are being attacked. Manifestations of such wars can already be seen in modern times. The capitalist and the communist superpowers have been struggling for decades without the use of their huge military potentials. As a result of the opposition, the communist superpower was destroyed. Soviet people perceived the break up of the USSR as a liberation, although the country was virtually defeated in the economic war. It is the economic war that allows to conquer other states one after another. However, Russia has not been conquered yet, because the Russian economy has not been added to the economy of the winner. Money will probably be the major weapon of the 21st century.

    Let's imagine that a country is waging war against an enemy, using tectonic and meteorological weapons: an earthquake is followed with hard rains and draughts. An enemy will most likely ask for help after such a powerful impact. It will be the best moment to use the power of money.

    The weapons of the future will be a lot more efficient than the nuclear weapon. It does not matter, if they are going to be used as the prime or the extra weapon in a war - people will suffer and die anyway. The weapons of the new technologies pose a great danger to life on planet Earth. All present developments and research works must be strictly controlled by the state and by the society. A victory in a war is good for the government of the winning state, first and foremost. Common people have to survive a disastrous tragedy for a victory.

    As experience shows, all anomalous or inexplicable phenomena are hidden from the public eye. Such a policy is understandable, because secret or unexplored knowledge can be used for someone's selfish needs. On the other hand, concealing or misrepresenting facts, separating science into "official" and "unofficial" categories is extremely dangerous for the whole humanity. Science helps people find answers to questions, it is not meant to incite wars and hostilities.
    #22     Nov 18, 2003
  3. Look how propaganda works : they pretend that they are telling you a state secret ... through a mainstream media hahaha !

    In truth they want to dissimenate the new kind of war : the psychological permanent war. And they want people to know it for are you naïve that such kind of "state secret" would appear if if they really want that it stays secret ? The propaganda use one arm: they don't use lies, because it is too easy to discover the lies - so they use semi-truth: yes it was a state secret but not any more because now it is different time : they want people to know it. If you don't know why I will reveal something : Remember Brezinski the guy who was at National Security and at the head of Trilateral I talked about http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19167&highlight=2008 referencing http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

    He also said that the world war III will be a psychological war, a permanent war that is to say they will create a climate of permanent stress and this kind of proposition is just for that: dissiminate the acceptance for permanent war and terrorism fear !

    #23     Nov 18, 2003
  4. These are created originally to cover agriculture risks for farmers not for speculators to bet ! Really astonishing that you don't see the difference between that and the one we are talking about !

    BTW I will look one day at wheat market and see if there are funny news also like the accidental Dell news release on 13th November : coincidentally - chance is so weird - it happened when market was just at my Top theorical forecast (LT=Local Top for that scale at 9851.29 real 9852.83 and is generated automatically 24h in advance not after the fact of course !) :D


    #24     Nov 18, 2003
  5. Cutten


    The amount of $$$ that can be bet on this terrorism market is limited to a small amount by the organisers, precisely to *prevent* the problem you alleged i.e. people making a fortune from betting on death and then carrying it out to ensure they win. So basically, the organisers thought of your "criticism" a very long time ago and have already completely negated it. You are arguing against a problem that does not exist.

    Secondly, EVEN IF the organisers did not put in this safeguard, do you really think a terrorist group is going to give a cast-iron intelligence lead to the CIA by depositing funds and then actually collecting their winnings? Anyone who won big on such a market would immediately be investigated by the intelligence services of several countries - either directly, or more likely covertly as the CIA etc would tell the bank to monitor and report future activity without informing the customer. Bin Laden and co are not so stupid as to give the west such an obvious lead - which is why profits of several million $$$ made on Sep 11th out of airline put contracts were not collected.

    Third, terrorists would *still* not use such a market, because what is the point? They could bet on much bigger size in the world stock, bond and commodity markets. These have several key advantages - huge liquidity, anonymity, and in addition it is pretty much impossible to prove that the trade was made on insider info. A terrorist financier could just claim they were a rich arab who thought oil had made a bullish technical breakout, or maybe say they spoke to a friend in the Saudi oil ministry who gave them a tip off, and then claim to be "shocked, shocked" to find that a terrorist event happened and made him a huge profit.

    So basically the chances of this market facilitating extra profits by terrorists is zero. Bet size is limited, spooks would in any case be crawling all over anyone who wins big, and they could trade normal financial markets for terrorist profit anyway.

    It looks like you haven't even bothered to examine the facts on how this market is going to be run before condemning it and its creators as immoral and disgusting. You basically come across as someone who sounds off without knowing jack.
    #25     Nov 18, 2003
  6. Net Long Terrors ratio of 1.50 = yellow alert
    Net Long Terrors ratio of 2.00 = orange alert
    Net Long Terrors ratio of 100 = judgement day, good bye.
    #26     Nov 18, 2003
  7. IF, IF, IF, all right and what garantees that these IF will be true for OTHERS ? What IF the Russians which I just mentioned the article above which DIRECTLY refers to Market Use as to take over a country do the same in their own country PRETEXTING that the US has created SUCH IMMORAL GAME why they wouldn't do the same, and then pretexting competition, all the restrictions that were supposed to protect the public are all eliminated and then that the maffias and the terrorists can create themselves these kind of casinos because you said it yourself they have enough power to do IF the law allows it. And by authorising these kind of cynic bet this is just the gate for the path towards the horrific unknown...

    PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT that US has done this or done that and other countries will feel have the right to do the same : this is exactly what they need.

    Staline has begun to won his battle for sure : you are losing all morality and will collapse from within and the rest of the world also because the whole word is acting like America including Europe only with a few years of delay after the medias have exported the ideas !

    "America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
    -- Josef Stalin (1879-1953) Communist leader of the USSR

    #27     Nov 18, 2003
  8. It is not the same thing ! The insurance you buy is for real protection.
    All the aggregate insurances has a probability distribution and as such need to be covered. Historically that's even for insurance that mathematician Laplace centuries ago has "invented" modern probability.

    There is no insurance aspect here ! Insurance is THE ONLY LEGAL and ECONOMICAL reason for existence of derivatives products. I am astonished that you trade such products without knowing the economical reason behind. Playing with vega, theta, etc. seem to make some people really to disconnect from reality behind ! We are not living in a virtual mathematical world, stay on earth a bit !

    P.S.: ok if death of thousands is just statistics why bother for thousands who died on 9/11 then ? Why bother since the number of these deaths are far less than the deaths of Nuclear Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagazaki (103 000 deaths discounting those who didn't die immediatly) ?

    #28     Nov 19, 2003
  9. maxpi


    Harry is a cracked pot French atheist communist who is upset that criminals have billions. He has no answer to any problems at all, just brings up endless questions that nobody can answer, probably thinks of himself as a great educator.

    See ya later Harry

    #29     Nov 19, 2003
  10. Hahaha me communist when I have escaped it from another country ! You are probably more communist than me: you betray LIBERTY for FAKE WEALTH of communist aparatchiks shame on you since you forgot the spirit of the Fathers of America :

    "If you love WEALTH more than LIBERTY, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of
    freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the
    hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our
    -- Samuel Adams

    When you will know the terror of what a communist regim is really - like I have known and my father has been assassinated in a forest by them for the only fault that he was a great intellectual belonging to a rich family - you will have the right to speak about that. For now you are silly enough not to see the signs that Communism is in preparation for America: And if you don't believe a Republican who is saying it , it may be that you want that kind of regim :

    Republican U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater
    in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

    "The Trilateral Commission [founded by Rockfeller/Brezinski] is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future."

    “The ultimate aim of the Council on Foreign Relations [directed by Rockfeller] is to create a one-world socialist system and make the United States an official part of it.”

    Dan Smoot, a former member of the FBI staff in Washington conducted an investigation of the aims of the Council on Foreign Relations

    According to Congressman Ron Paul in August 30th of this year:

    "I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..."


    This rejoins the warning of Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner
    According to him terrorism is just a pretext for a planned "open world dictatorship" within 5 years :

    Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D. a former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner. On November 6, he told FTW, "The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."

    #30     Nov 20, 2003