Techniques for Day Trading the ES, NQ, YM, MES, MNQ, and MYM

Discussion in 'Journals' started by volpri, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    Which is it? Riskier or less risky. ?? LOL.

    Less risky, because the bottom channel-line was breached. In all the TFs! Previous support becomes resistance... an attempt to test is highly likely. A successful test opens a high probability to at least test the upper channel-line, or even attempt BO of the upper.

    Volume is a missing piece of information that would provide significant confidence (and accuracy) to the decision however.

    Thanks for standing up to the distractors, naysayers, and general buttholes.
     
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    #271     Oct 20, 2019
  2. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    You raised several critical issues with education threads. Its something I started thinking about here at ET involving educational threads by others here at ET involving trading tactics typically associated with the result of risk of ruin.

    The issue involves the audience / readers of these types of threads. A trader (the thread starter) doesn't really know who's reading it and definitely doesn't know the backgrounds or suitability of the reader for trading.

    Simply, not knowing anything about the reader other than he/she is a member or lurker (guest visitor not register)...the educational thread can easily reach the wrong target...resulting in being dangerous to a novice (as you stated) that may be not suitable for trading for whatever reasons.

    I remember earlier this year competing in a CME Group trading competition back in early March. I immediately notice something unique with the trading competition and education courses...you needed to register and pass a test after watching particular educational videos. It was the first time I saw something like that although I'm not sure when they started doing such considering I have no memory of them doing that when they were known as just the CME.

    Seriously, its like someone telling you...before you can run a marathon...you first need to prove (verify) you knew how to walk. Yet, they understood that there's still no guarantee that they can run a marathon after learning how to walk via the way the education courses were setup. I realized than that they wanted to ensure the audience / reader understood certain things about trading (e.g. proper leverage) prior to engaging in trading.

    Now imagine if brokers and forums (e.g. elitetrader.com) did the same thing before allowing someone to sign up. :D

    Maybe warnings, disclaimers should be something that's posted in the first message post involving the education concepts soon to be discussed ??? :wtf:

    Then again, if brokers & forum owners did the above, very few will sign up.

    wrbtrader
     
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    #272     Oct 20, 2019
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    They've been doing it for quite a long while, and the test is so easy a caveman can do it. *insert Geico caveman commercials here*.
     
    #273     Oct 20, 2019
  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I knew they had education videos when they were known only as the CME before becoming known as the CME Group.

    Maybe the tests was something the CME Group started in early 2000 when it became an IPO in 2002 ?

    As to the difficulty of the tests, now imagine you have inside knowledge that a large percentage of traders are not able to pass those tests...scary wouldn't you think.

    wrbtrader
     
    #274     Oct 20, 2019
  5. volpri

    volpri

    I meant to say why is trade#3 less risky than Trade #2. Sorry I am tired and was up late last night.
     
    #275     Oct 20, 2019
  6. volpri

    volpri

    Sorry for the confusion. I was up till about 3 a.m. last night then arose kinda early plus being a diabetic my brain is simply not working good today. In addition, I am working on a training format project in an entirely different field. So.....let me try again posing the question:

    In Trade #2 I averaged down or added more contracts LONG to a losing trade from my first entry. In Trade #3 I averaged down or added more contracts SHORT to another losing trade from my first entry. In both trades I averaged down or scaled in if you want to call it that...and ended up with a position of 8 contracts in Trade#2 and also 8 contracts in Trade#3.

    Now here is the question: taking into account that I was averaging down LONG in Trade #2 (i.e. adding to a losing position) and in Trade#3 i was averaging down SHORT. One trade was assuming more risk, or taking on more risk than the other. So, considering the tactic I was using which trade was riskier and why?

    The larger TF’s help to clarify this.

    Hope this makes the question more clear. So look at it and give me your opinions. Thanks
     
    #276     Oct 20, 2019
  7. Seaweed

    Seaweed

    Based on what you present, the trend was down, so taking shorts is the less risky option, as in trade #3, rather than the long in trade number #2. Both trades caused you to scale in when price was leaving the down channel, but its more likely for the down trend to continue, so taking the shorts is the better bet.

    Now you did of course note that trade 3 was above the SMA, so that is perhaps a factor for you. In both cases though, price did re-enter the channel again as you have drawn it.
     
    #277     Oct 20, 2019
  8. volpri

    volpri

    Do you come to that conclusion looking at just the 5 min chart?
     
    #278     Oct 20, 2019
  9. Seaweed

    Seaweed

    Yes, I just went with the chart you posted, but if I look at the hourly, it looks different.


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    We have in general an up trend, and a more immediate range. So the dip at the green arrow down to 75 is actually a penetration of that strong level of support around 2984 over a couple of days. In this case, the longs perhaps were the less risky choice.
     
    #279     Oct 21, 2019
  10. volpri

    volpri

    I think your chart is a 24 hour and my hourly is RTH’s But anyway I drew the channel of my 1 hour chart in on your chart. Except mine doesn’t show last few bars like yours does i guess because of when I took the snapshot?? Basically we got a broad b ear channel inba broader sideways range if we look at it from your 1 hour chart.

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    #280     Oct 21, 2019
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