Teachers Unions & poor education in America

Discussion in 'Economics' started by hippie, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    You made one of my main points nicely, thank you. The causes of the problems do not lie with the teachers or the schools. And the data you refer to shows that to be the case.

    You asked what the problems were, and I enumerated some of them for you. See my earlier post for a list.

    But for causes you must look beyond teachers and schools. For that see the remainder of my post.
     
    #81     Feb 8, 2011
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    I have no doubt that everything you say is true, but the real issue here should not be teachers or their unions, or the schools, but how to get the best performance and results possible from the students. I don't see how the existence or non-existence of a teachers union can have much to do with that, because in my mind the problems lies with the students themselves and our basic philosophy of public education, which sadly, since the "Great Society", has moved toward treating all students the same and trying to force square pegs into round holes.
     
    #82     Feb 8, 2011
  3. You are right on this point: The "Great Society" dogma that treats all the same is definitely a problems for the schools, teachers, students and parents.
     
    #83     Feb 8, 2011
  4. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    I volunteer at an inner city high poverty elementary school. It's eye opening to see the range of issues the teachers deal with. Kids who are ADD, ADHD, angry/acting out, malnourished, lacking in sleep from the night before, disinterested, etc. You can't blame the kids -- they're a product of their environment. Behavioral issues in class detract from teaching and require interventions.

    I do math tutoring and I see 4th grade kids who can't add and subtract without using their fingers to count on. Each year they get further and further behind.

    Biggest issue in these kinds of schools is a lack of parental involvement. Some do not have time if they're working 2 jobs. Sadly, others just don't see very interested in how their kids are doing. Attendance at parent teacher conferences leaves a bit top be desired from what teachers tell me.

    No easy solutions. I admire the effort of the teachers I interact with. But I don't support teachers being able to retire after 25 years though. Unsustainable financially long term.
     
    #84     Feb 8, 2011
  5. Funny fact but north Asians would be .... Russians. LOL
    However, for the argument's sake let's replace them with who you wanted to include had you possessed map skills of an average 4th grader, namely the Chinese. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but many Chinese are as dumb as fuck and robot like to boot.
    Northern Europeans - last time they came to th USA in great numbers was 2 centuries ago. How they would do in the American system of education is highly speculative since they are NOT present IN IT!
    Jews - I gues you have not work in a Yeshiva lately. I have never seen more unruly, unpleasant, bunch of brats and educationally speaking, I have been around the block.
     
    #85     Feb 8, 2011
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Thank you for volunteering. The challenges faced by teachers in your school are daunting. What to do about it? That is the question. Can we expect the schools alone to compensate for the deficiencies in these kids? I don't see how. And as you say, you can't blame he kids. But what to do?
     
    #86     Feb 8, 2011
  7. zdreg

    zdreg

    Hopefully you are not teaching English writing.

    "I have never seen more unruly, unpleasant, bunch of brats and educationally speaking, I have been around the block."

    Did you ever learn grammar? Your sentence is a disgrace.

    This thread is about academic achievement. Would you like to compare
    the academic achievements of Yeshiva students vs, students who come from a Black ghetto?
     
    #87     Feb 8, 2011

  8. No I have never gathered anough desperation to teach English composition. I find it boring and uninteresting.

    As for the sentence you are pointing to: ""I have never seen more unruly, unpleasant, bunch of brats and educationally speaking, I have been around the block." There is nothing wrong with it. While it is unorthodox in its construction, it is correct. You will learn that particular sentence structure later in your high school journey, assuming you have not dropped out already.
     
    #88     Feb 8, 2011
  9. Scary that a lot of people posting think that $80k is a big salary and that $40k pension is living the high life.
    Where do you people live?
     
    #89     Feb 8, 2011
  10. Any amount is too much for the incompetent or irresponsible. And the system cannot get rid of them due to their powerful politically-connected unions.
     
    #90     Feb 8, 2011