Tax on Trades Should Be Part of Rescue Plan, Some Democrats Say

Discussion in 'Trading' started by seasideheights, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. achilles28

    achilles28

    Agree 100%.

    The Government wants us to take everything sitting down.

    Be "reasonable", they say.

    My answer to that: Fuck You.

    Enough is enough.

    Douche Bags.
     
    #131     Sep 25, 2008
  2. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    Too early to tell IMO.

    China has tried it for a longer period, though, and saw prices and volume plummet. Now they're re-instituting it.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a8gUqAR2Smak

    I didn't think I'd ever say this, but...let's learn a lesson about the free markets from Red China.


     
    #132     Sep 26, 2008
  3. Specterx

    Specterx

    ES contract value @ 1200 = $60,000

    0.25% of 60k = $150

    Fuck that.
     
    #133     Sep 26, 2008
  4. Exactly. Liquidty would be GONE!
     
    #134     Sep 26, 2008
  5. Here is probably the main point you want to make when writing these FUCKING IDIOTS

    - Enacting an enourmously burdensome transaction tax will drive liquidity completely away from these markets. The current bank bail-out proposal is being discussed for the sole reason of no liquidity for the "toxic" paper.

    By enacting this tax, the markets will face an even larger liquidity crisis, that will spread to the commodity markets and the bond markets, making Treasury products impossible to even price; same with commodities.

    The efects will be almost immideate. Producers (such as farmers, miners, etc) will not be able to price out their products because of the lack of liquidity. We will be in store for an even newer bail-out for the same exact reason: ILLIQUIDITY.
     
    #135     Sep 26, 2008
  6. Specterx

    Specterx

    If you're going to write them you need to pretend you live in the member's state/district, even if sending a fax etc. Otherwise it just goes in the trash.
     
    #136     Sep 26, 2008
  7. Jachyra

    Jachyra

    IF this ever got passed (big IF because I doubt it will), my guess would be that exchange members, which are the major liquidity providers, would probably get an exemption... which would mean that you could get around it by buying or leasing an exchange membership. That would definitely increase your monthly costs if you rented, or force you to make a substantial investment to your career if you decided to purchase a membership... but it would clearly be cheaper than the alternative. However, that may be what they want since that would have the desired effect of talks some of them have been rambling on about recently, which is the repeal of the 60/40 preferential tax treatment on futures transactions, since exchange members (except for ECM's) get their profits taxed as ordinary income.

    Its quite scary to even think about... it almost makes me want to buy a GEM membership as a hedge while they're still relatively affordable.

    Of course this is all just conjecture on my part.
     
    #137     Sep 26, 2008
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    what about the next president? it doesn't make a difference as they are both economic ignoramuses
     
    #138     Sep 26, 2008
  9. Specterx

    Specterx

    Are you saying exchange members' profits already get taxed as ordinary income, or they would be taxed this way if the 60/40 treatment was eliminated?

    If the latter, wouldn't that apply to all traders, exchange members or not?
     
    #139     Sep 26, 2008
  10. Atlantic

    Atlantic


    are you sure?

    maybe what they mean is 0.25 % of the profit?
     
    #140     Sep 26, 2008