Tax harvesting of worthless options

Discussion in 'Options' started by spindr0, Dec 23, 2019.

  1. spindr0

    spindr0

    Different ETF provider? An Ishares S&P 500 ETF is substantially equivalent to the SPY. It has to be a different index in order not to be substantially identical. But this tangent has nothing to do with options.

    Per the IRS, it's a wash sale violation if you sell a security and you acquires an option to buy substantially identical stock. If buying a call is considered substantially identical to long stock then buying a different call should be substantially identical to another call.
     
    #11     Dec 23, 2019
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    If you then sell the one you acquired in the same year, it is a wash in the same year so you recapture the loss in the same year.
     
    #12     Dec 23, 2019
  3. spindr0

    spindr0

    Wash sale violations are meaningless if involved positions are closed out by EOY. It's the carryover wash sale violation that you have to be concerned with.
     
    #13     Dec 23, 2019
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    That was what I said.
     
    #14     Dec 23, 2019
  5. Yeah this makes me crazy. Sometimes it seems logical and other times...only beer helps. :confused:

     
    #15     Dec 23, 2019
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  6. ETJ

    ETJ

    Ask your broker if they can find a MM to do a Cabinet Trade. Clean exit date and price.
     
    #16     Dec 23, 2019
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    I actually did. They said they weren't able to.
     
    #17     Dec 24, 2019
  8. ETJ

    ETJ

    You can't always find an MM to do it and most retail won't work very hard as there is no $$ in it.
     
    #18     Dec 24, 2019
  9. spindr0

    spindr0

    I had no success closing my various long, worthless 2020 options yesterday, probably because I was trying to buy low priced inactive options as part of the calendar.

    Today I used ATM options and got immediate fills, selling my worthless options for one and two cents and then closing the newly bought ATM options. The net result was haircuts of 2-3 cents on various positions which was quite tolerable given the expected B/A spread loss.

    Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to this solution.
     
    #19     Dec 24, 2019
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Close the atm before end of the year. “Like kind” for wash sales is a bit vague.
     
    #20     Dec 24, 2019