Tax filing with IB

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by caret311, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. Hey if the shoe fits...I have a few nice ripe Chiquitas for you.
     
    #11     Feb 17, 2010
  2. drbtk

    drbtk

    This site has some inexpensive excel macros that do the job. You have to handle wash sales manually.

    http://www.investotek.com/
     
    #12     Feb 17, 2010
  3. BrianH

    BrianH

    Bob, Well I sure wish we could do it that way. IF you had trader status and the MTM election with the IRS it USED to be you could do that but now you have to list the details of every trade and it has to be on Schedule D or a matching extension. You can't attach your brokers statement or say "details upon request." The law changed. If you don't believe me look at the IRS instructions. So now our returns run hundreds of pages -- insane but that's the way it is. If you got away with it so far watch out because they can send your return back and demand taxes based on your proceeds number with a cost basis of zero!
     
    #13     Mar 2, 2010
  4. Bob111

    Bob111

    Thank you for info BrianH! no, i do not have trader status,just file as a average joe the plumber.but i'm thinking about elect M2M either for myself or company. not sure how they can demand taxes on proceeds with zero basis(i understand that they can do pretty much whatever they want) but..i do have my Sch D and i can present it in the court, if necessary.
    the more i trade,the more i pay, and then i have to deal with all my taxes and numerous costly conversations with my CPA and all those complex tax rules..all this make me sick..if some conflict between me and irs will ever arise-that would be the first and last one for me. i will leave this messed up country and they never going to receive a dime from me. i'm not a us citizen,i can go anywhere i want. no world wide bs taxes for me.i'm getting very close to this boiling point,while observing all this tax nonsense in US.
     
    #14     Mar 2, 2010
  5. BrianH

    BrianH

    I hear your frustration. The IRS does seem determined to make being in the business of trading harder than most others. Not sure if you can elect MTM if you don't have trader status first. If you trade short term and full time there are many advantages to having trader tax status including no limitation on losses or deductions. See tradertax.com for a lot of info -- he's the main man in the field. I'm debating working with them but am leaning towards just getting their version of TradeLog software and working with my local guy. I think the zero cost basis thing is one of the IRS's "weapons of terror" just to put the fear of God into you for not filling out all their forms. As long as you could submit the proper backup I expect they would back down but who wants to go through that with attendant risk of backup witholding etc.
     
    #15     Mar 2, 2010
  6. BrianH

    BrianH

    re: listing each trade -- ran across this elsewhere on the forum:
    http://www.nysscpa.org/trustedprof/206/tp4.htm
     
    #16     Mar 2, 2010
  7. Bob111

    Bob111

    article dated 2006. if they(irs) are looking to kill that golden goose(me) then they will be all over me in past 3 years,when i report my trading profits the old fashion way.
    as for trader status-
    irs is pretty clear who is qualify:


    Special Rules for Traders in Securities

    Special rules apply if you are a trader in securities in the business of buying and selling securities for your own account. To be engaged in business as a trader in securities, you must meet all the following conditions.

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    You must seek to profit from daily market movements in the prices of securities and not from dividends, interest, or capital appreciation.
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    Your activity must be substantial.
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    You must carry on the activity with continuity and regularity.

    The following facts and circumstances should be considered in determining if your activity is a securities trading business.

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    Typical holding periods for securities bought and sold.
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    The frequency and dollar amount of your trades during the year.
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    The extent to which you pursue the activity to produce income for a livelihood.
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    The amount of time you devote to the activity.

    If your trading activities do not meet the above definition of a business, you are considered an investor, and not a trader. It does not matter whether you call yourself a trader or a “day trader.”


    http://www.irs.gov/publications/p550/ch04.html#en_US_publink100010601


    one thing is not clear to me-once you elect m2m-how to give up this status,when you done with trading? in case of LLC-you can dissolve it, but what about individual?
    Thank you!
     
    #17     Mar 2, 2010
  8. BrianH

    BrianH

     
    #18     Mar 2, 2010
  9. caret311

    caret311

    One question: have folks used tradematcher's 99$ service to generate schedule-D and then import that to turbotax? If yes, would you recommend this approach. For the 1000 or so trades that I have CPAs are bound to charge 800-1000$, something I am soo not willing to spend.

    Thanks.
     
    #19     Mar 2, 2010
  10. #20     Mar 2, 2010