TAPE READING (chat room cont.)

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by shortseller, Sep 30, 2005.

tape reading

Poll closed Jan 28, 2006.
  1. go long at bid

    19 vote(s)
    20.9%
  2. go long at offer

    38 vote(s)
    41.8%
  3. place short at bid (bullet or conversion) reg sho.

    17 vote(s)
    18.7%
  4. place short at offer

    17 vote(s)
    18.7%
  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Once the NYSE goes 100% electronic and the specialists are gone, tape reading as we know it will be over. The whole idea about reading the tape has to do with recognizing the patterns of one person, the specialist. Once the market becomes fragmented and electronic, this will simply not be possible. All good things usually come to an end.
     
    #191     Nov 29, 2005
  2. bigsid

    bigsid

    I've been following this thread closely and would like to thank everyone for their quality posts. It's really opened my eyes. Below is a description of a tool in cybertrader, and I was wondering if this could provide the type of information Maverick is able to identify on the tapes?

    See attachment for graphic.

    THE HAMMER
    The Hammer was designed to alert you to which Market Makers are most active in a given stock by tracking the number of times they have refreshed their quote at the inside bid and ask. It displays the top five Market Makers on each side. The benefit of the Hammer is that you can see at a glance what Market Makers are possible "major players" in that stock during that trading day.
     
    #192     Nov 29, 2005
  3. It looks interesting, at least in theory... it should allow one to follow Market Makers at the NaSdAQ the way tape readers follow the specialist.
     
    #193     Nov 29, 2005
  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I hate to say this, but that tool is meaningless. It is not the same thing as tape reading. Tape reading is very specific. You cannot read ECN's, NYOB, or look at MM's in a special window. There are many software tools out there that attempt to provide transparency as it relates to the tape and they are all equally worthless. Reading the tape is a very tough skill that must be learned. There are no short cuts.
     
    #194     Nov 29, 2005
  5. bigsid

    bigsid

    Maverick,

    Thank you so much for the prompt response. I figured that was the case, but just wanted to check. Your posts are fantastic.

    Sid
     
    #195     Nov 30, 2005
  6. lol. maybe for you. there are still patterns in the limit-order-books, just not so easy to see.

    --Stephen

     
    #196     Nov 30, 2005
  7. I have already started to learn the "new" tape reading which is testing black box algorithmns. I am finding that, by mesing around with bids and offers in certain situations on NYSE stocks, the black box programs tip their hands and when they do, you can really capitalize.
     
    #197     Nov 30, 2005
  8. Steve,

    This is very interesting. Can you explain in details and give us an example?
     
    #198     Nov 30, 2005
  9. Maverick how do you define tape reading? Is it only intraday? Or can it be done on a daily basis or say even weekly basis?
     
    #199     Nov 30, 2005
  10. mizer

    mizer

    Yeah Steve spill it:D
     
    #200     Nov 30, 2005