Taliban in Kabul as President Flees

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mercor, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. smallfil

    smallfil

    #301     Aug 17, 2021
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  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #302     Aug 18, 2021
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  3. traderob

    traderob

    He has the MSM to do that. They are trying but even they can't wipe it continually.
     
    #303     Aug 18, 2021
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  4. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    They aren't going to be able to cover up this.

    America woke up this morning to the realization that its leadership is abjectly incompetent. So did the world.

    China is emboldened now to snatch Taiwan.

    Joe Biden is clearly not up to dealing with China or even Cuba. We have a lame duck President with rigor mortis of the cranium and 3+ years left to serve.

    The current military leadership is a woke shit show and needs to resign or be fired today.
     
    #304     Aug 18, 2021
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #305     Aug 18, 2021
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #306     Aug 18, 2021
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    #307     Aug 18, 2021
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Trump's own defense secretary, tsk, tsk:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/mark-esper-donald-trump-taliban-afghanistan-cnntv/index.html
    Ex-defense secretary: Trump's push to get US troops out of Afghanistan possibly 'undermined' deal with Taliban

    Washington (CNN)Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that he was concerned that then-President Donald Trump "undermined" the US' 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal.

    The Trump administration's "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" outlined a series of commitments from the US and the Taliban related to troop levels, counterterrorism and intra-Afghan dialogue aimed at bringing about "a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire."

    But, Esper told CNN's Christiane Amanpour, "my concern was that President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement, which is why in the fall when he was calling for a return of US forces by Christmas, I objected and formally wrote a letter to him, a memo based on recommendations from the military chain of command and my senior civilian leadership that we not go further -- that we not reduce below 4,500 troops unless and until conditions were met by the Taliban."

    "Otherwise," Esper continued, "we would see a number of things play out, which are unfolding right now in many ways."

    Trump fired Esper in November 2020 in the wake of the presidential election.

    The agreement between the Taliban and the US has come under fresh scrutiny in recent days after Afghanistan's civilian government in Kabul fell to Taliban fighters this weekend, almost two decades after they were driven from the city by US troops.

    After years of negotiations, the Taliban and the Trump administration finally signed a peace deal in 2020. The US agreed to withdraw troops and release some 5,000 Taliban prisoners, while the Taliban agreed to take steps to prevent any group or individual, including al Qaeda, from using Afghanistan to threaten the security of the US or its allies.
    But the deal didn't bring about peace.

    Following the agreement, violence in Afghanistan grew to its highest levels in two decades and the Taliban increased their control of wider swaths of the country. By June of this year, the Taliban contested or controlled an estimated 50% to 70% of Afghan territory outside of urban centers, according to a United Nations Security Council report.

    Although Afghan security forces were well funded and well equipped, they put up little resistance as Taliban militants seized much of the country following the withdrawal of US troops beginning in early July. Now factions within the Biden administration are embroiled in a blame game over why the US government didn't act sooner to withdraw American citizens and Afghans who helped the US over two decades of war, leading to a rushed and dangerous evacuation.

    In his first public comments since the Taliban solidified control of Kabul, President Joe Biden on Monday laid blame on the Afghan security forces' unwillingness to fight and the decisions of previous administrations -- including the Trump administration -- while failing to directly address the chaos unfolding on his watch.

    Biden conceded that the Taliban takeover happened faster than anticipated, though he said he stands "squarely behind" his decision.
     
    #308     Aug 18, 2021
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    Facts are not neutral.

    People think their opinions should be reflected in the media on all kinds of issues from mask wearing to the withdrawal in Afghanistan. The problem is that facts don’t agree with everyone’s opinion. And when you’re too opinionated you can find yourself resenting facts as reported by the media.

    Yes, the media has a slant but you’ll find most of the media is based on facts and people’s opinions of the media is really an opposition to the facts that disagree with their opinion.

    The truth is that the American media delivers the facts of current events and important issues very well. Anyone in the world can become well informed from American media. The problem is that people are too opinionated. And this applies to right wingers much more than left wingers. Most issues from climate change to economics to immigration to the pandemic the right wing is overly opinionated and they demonize the facts as reported by the media.

    We are seeing some down playing of Afghanistan by the left but for the for the most part most people accept Biden screwed this up. This is because unlike the right the left isn’t so overly opinionated. If what’s going on in Afghanistan shows anything it’s that the media and the left are actually pretty clear eyed and honest.
     
    #309     Aug 18, 2021
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Bloody American supplied chopper was too small, damn, not like them to supply anything small, would only fit 3 carloads (humvees) of cash, bugger it.
     
    #310     Aug 18, 2021