sneakoner.. was that a joke? S&P is i dont remember either 5 or 10times bigger than ES. Maybe you mean spiders. Thats more palatable. And as far as platform/broker for ES goes; i was and still am with TOS but i end up using my Mirus/NT and Velocity/Sierra accounts much more than tos account. Fills are better but thats only based on my personal experience. -gariki