Taking 76K to 500K by Year End

Discussion in 'Journals' started by neke, Feb 25, 2007.

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  1. Neke:

    You made some mistakes in your game, and now you have to take the losses. Never a fun experience.

    On the positive side, you're being honest with yourself and know where you went wrong. If you know where you went wrong and are honest about your mistakes, you'll be able to overcome them and come back.

    My advice is to get the "behind target profit mentality" out of your head for a bit.

    Regroup, get down what your bread and butter trading setups are going to be, and get back into your trading rhythm.

    Once you're back on track, scale your size back up so you can take on the amount of risk you need to assume to meet the financial goals you want to achive.

    Best of luck !

    -T
     
    #141     May 19, 2007
  2. segv

    segv

    Some questions for Elite observers:

    Using just the data posted here on this trading journal:

    1. What is the probability that this account will reach $500,000 before reaching $0 or a negative number?

    2. Would you fire this trader or increase his bonus?
     
    #142     May 19, 2007
  3. Commendations on the guts for posting your results.

    Maybe Hillary Clinton could give you some pointers. She had some big returns similar to your goal swingin big cattle futs back in the day.
     
    #143     May 20, 2007
  4. neke

    neke

    Thanks to all who gave feedback and advice after the last update. At a time like this, there is normally a lot of introspection and a new resolve to be disciplined and address the harmful tendencies. I am reactivating my automated checks on my leverage, and also revising my stop loss policy; Ultimately I will get the computer to automatically generate a stop loss order on any discretionary position initiated. Similarly I shall get the computer to recognise when an addition has been made to a losing trade and close the excess additions automatically.

    The good thing is that normally I will not make these mistakes soon after. It is normally after the account has come up much that the old devils try to rear up their heads. It will not be possible to automate all my strategies, but eventually, I should have enough automated to generate enough profits so I will not lay myself open to the discretionary traps: but that is still some time away.
     
    #144     May 21, 2007
  5. KenL

    KenL

    I also took the biggest hit ever last week. What was it about last week, sheeessh.
    My plan after a train wreck week is to slow down take a step back, analyze, basically regroup. Scale back position size until you get back on the winning track.
    Stop trading altogether for a few days if you feel that's what you need to do. Don't trade if you're feeling a lot of pressure or have any negative feelings in your mind or your judgement will be severly affected.

    So far today I'm 2 for 2 and I hope you will recover well from the little setback last week.

    Good Luck.
     
    #145     May 21, 2007
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  6. neke

    neke

    After much thought I have decided to define some rules to help me avoid a repeat of those bad trades. I have defined them as two commandments by which I will have to measure myself at the end of each week. These will be critical if my profit objective is to be met: I cannot afford to throw away money frivolously any more. Here they are in order of importance:


    1. Thou shalt not add to a losing position, or any position at all. Determine your size at the initial entry and place your order at the time or limit determined until the whole position is taken. Once the position is taken, no more addition.

    2. Thou shalt not take a reversal position in a ticker you have closed at a loss within the last 30 minutes. Give yourself time to think clearly and do not make an emotional decision. Avoid the whipsaw effect. For example if you bought at 100 and sold at 95, you should not immediately short at 95. Allow at least 30 minutes for you to see clearly.



    Any violation of the above will call for deep introspection and repentance, and a commitment not to repeat it.

    As soon as I have enough time, I will automate the monitoring of my account for these types of violations, with immediate closure of the offending trades.
     
    #146     May 22, 2007
  7. neke

    neke

    1. I would say the probability of hitting 500K before 0 is close to 100%. Even in the bubble days of Nasdaq (at 5000+) the chance it will hit 20000 before 0 is still amost 100% (as long as the index is still alive). If it is hitting it this year, sure the last update has brought down the probability, but it is still possible.

    2. I would fire him. But if he manages to hit his target by year-end I would rehire him. (I can't fire myself, can I?).
     
    #147     May 23, 2007
  8. neke

    neke

    5/25/2007
    Weekly Update for week 13 ended 5/25/2007

    A little relief after last week's blow. No trade delivering a super-size return, but pleased to report I played according to plan. There was no violation of any of the two commandments (adding to a losing position, or playing a whipsaw revenge trade).

    The only trade I was disappointed with was NTAP. I shorted 4000 shares after hours on Wed after their disappointing earnings forecaste at 33.60. The stock came as low as 30.00 after hours. Normally I hold such positions to the end of day the following day if it is profitable. The stock proved so strong the first 30 minutes of trading (on some silly analyst reiteration of outperform) and I was forced to cover at 34.10 for a loss of nearly 2K.

    The stock eventually ended the day at 31.76. I should not have seen a loss on that position. I guess I need some policy on taking some profit when they come soon after taking a position.

    OK after this week, I think my probability of hitting the target by year-end has notched up to 45%. Last week I put the probability at 40%. Week before that it was as high as 90%.

    The attached screen shots show the balance and performance (the GainsKeeper statement has not reflected the result for friday, while the balance shown includes unrealised gains on an existing position).

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    Balance B/F:                   		 90,370
    Loss for the week             		 20,581
    ------------------------------------------------
    Balance C/F:                   		110,951
    Number of Trades	            	 25
    Number of Profitable Trades    	    	 15
    
    Since Inception of Thread   2/25/2007 - 5/25/2007
    
    Balance B/F:                   		 76,636
    Net Gain (Less Margin Interest)		 53,315
    Cash Withdrawal		       		-19,000
    ------------------------------------------------
    Balance C/F:                   		110,951
    Number of Trades	           	 352
    Number of Profitable Trades        	 222
    
    Expected Balance at this time to be on track for Year-End Target : 
    			       133,381
    Status:			       Behind Target
    
    Top/Bottom Discretionary Trades for the week
    
    
    TICKER	ENTRY DATE/TIME		EXIT DATE/TIME		QTY	PURCHASE AMT	SOLD AMT	GAINS		TYPE
    
    ADI	2007-05-22-16-49-29	2007-05-23-15-49-50	3000	109200		114906		5684		SHORT
    HOLX	2007-05-21-08-17-18	2007-05-21-09-50-10	1000	53709		59000		5270		SHORT
    NTAP	2007-05-23-16-08-09	2007-05-24-09-53-55	4000	136276		134336		-1973		SHORT
    CYPB	2007-05-23-11-24-22	2007-05-23-12-43-35	3000	52077		49680		-2418		LONG
    
    
     
    #148     May 25, 2007
  9. is there any particular reason that ur using ameritrade? Why not use IB or something?
     
    #149     May 26, 2007
  10. you made a short term gain of 600.7K ?...WOW!..omg. Nice job.
     
    #150     May 26, 2007
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