Taking 1million to zero in "n" months.

Discussion in 'Journals' started by PHOENIX TRADING, Mar 6, 2012.


  1. Q:Am I guessing ?
    A: Sure I am nobody knows the future

    I know I'm going to get a lot of wrath for this but perhaps I don't know what you mean by low risk set ups.


    I'm assuming you see a pattern or something in price action or some chart action and you think it has predictive power on the future and it's risk.

    You may fervently believe that, but I'm more than a little skeptical.

    1) The chief risk once you enter a position is going to be the risk of the security . say a utility company vs double financial etf.



    I'm sorry I only can use 7th grade math but:

    2) This stuff about position sizing, r and all that crap tharp etc popularized is not well suited to trading. It's very well suited to games of chance where the odds are known.



    2A) The fact of the matter is in trading the odds are not known nor can they be known nor are returns and price action (bell shaped) normal distribution.

    2b) Most importantly IF you believe such and such patterns ARE in the least bit predictive they are requisitely self limiting.

    Because unlike games of chance in which the odds are known, your actions actually change the game when you are trading .
     
    #51     Apr 22, 2012
  2. Wide Tailz

    Wide Tailz

    I don't predict what will happen, I predict that if it happens, it will reward me at a multiple at least 3x the amount that would lose if the desired case does not work out.

    I also predict that I will not allow The Market to take more than 5% of my account in a week.

    I also predict that I will be able to exit all positions immediately for any reason.

    And I predict that I will always follow my plan (this requires predicting that I make a plan before entering a trade, including the risk exit).

    Low risk setups always have a way out that will not penalize your account more than a few percent, yet have the potential to reward your account several times more if you end up on the right side of the move.

    Now that we got this out of the way, what is your plan? Or do you trade on intuition? What helps you make a decision to enter or exit the trade?

    Can you share that information without feeling like The Market will suddenly run your stops?

    I can - my stops are so far below the range of price action for the past several days and my plan requires my entry to be off a recent double bottom or higher low that I can do this and stay within my plan. I can also set my leverage level to keep the total risk of loss below 2% for any case. And I can find my setup often enough to still have the potential to double my account in a year with this position size and a 50% win rate.

    Have you thought through your plan to this level of detail?

    I hope we're not on malicious terms with each other.

    :)
     
    #52     Apr 22, 2012
  3. 1) You don't see expecting a 3x "R" if you win as predicting?

    2) Stops can help .

    3) Well I hope you can but I wouldn't count on it.

    4) You would be the rare individual to always follow your plan.
    5) I'm agnostic but okay.

    6) I'd rather not go into specifics but there are some ratio's that I use. I also use my own sentiment on s&p 500 action.

    7) I don't use stops, I buy all in or all out whole portfolio in one single trade.

    8) Call me crazy but I'd rather watch like a hawk and if I get spooked then I would get out.


    9) Perhaps not

    10) we're cool :cool:
     
    #53     Apr 22, 2012
  4. My hat is off to you, PT.

    Kudos for hangin' in there in the face of adversity.

    Good times are right around the corner...:)

    Gotta go, dog barking to come back in.
     
    #54     Apr 22, 2012
  5. thanks , asia is looking a bit peckish tonight and socialist hollende did win in france.

    I don't think european markets are gonna like that, I suspect should have gotten flat but kinda hoping it was priced in as it was not a surprise.


    Might I suggest levered door handles vs round, that way the dog can just let himself in.
     
    #55     Apr 22, 2012
  6. oh fvck me, pre-open futures down 1% indicates a 4 or more % loss today poor chinese manf and french elections : europe down 3-4 %.
     
    #56     Apr 23, 2012
  7. I don't get why would you want to title a journal taking your account to zero. It's like the person who called himself "failed_trader." Seems like self-sabotage.
     
    #57     Apr 23, 2012
  8. Lol.
     
    #58     Apr 23, 2012
  9. It happens.:cool:
     
    #59     Apr 23, 2012
  10. I know. Long 1 lot from 2678.25 on NQ. Will probably get a pairs signal after today, and quintuple my current position size.
     
    #60     Apr 23, 2012