Taking 103K to 1.2million by Year End 2008

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  1. Nope, I'd be right even if I were Shaq and packed in an Armani suit. ;)
     
    #501     Oct 19, 2008
  2. Good luck this week Neke! We are rooting for you!
     
    #502     Oct 20, 2008
  3. wrd
     
    #503     Oct 20, 2008
  4. neke

    neke

    Market couldn't make up its mind which way to go. Whipsaws all over.
     
    #504     Oct 21, 2008
  5. neke

    neke

    Weekly Update for week 41 ended 10/25/2008

    Sombre week, down 80K (20%). Got caught the wrong way on most major positions. A little gain on monday, followed by deep whipsaws on Tuesday as the market (SPY) moved from 97 to above 98 to back to 95 to 98 and back down to 95: lost 60K in stock and options as I lacked conviction. Recovered some on Wednesday, but lost big on Thursday trying to catch the falling CME knife.

    Need to scale back on size and scale up on caution next week.

    Code:
    
    Opening Balance:               	    	406,228
    Net gain for the week 		        -79,866 
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    Net Balance:                   		326,362
    Number of Trades	            	 28
    Number of Profitable Trades    	    	 13
    
    Since Inception of Thread   01/13/2008 - 10/25/2008
    
    Opening Balance:                   	102,615
    Net gain (Less Margin Interest)		238,747
    ------------------------------------------------
    Balance Before Withdrawal:            	341,362  (Up 233%)
    Cash Withdrawal				-15,000
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    Net Balance				326,362
    
    Number of Trades	           	974
    Number of Profitable Trades        	570
    
    
    Top/Bottom Discretionary Trades for the week
    
    TICKER	ENTRY DATE/TIME		EXIT DATE/TIME		QTY	PURCHASE AMT	SOLD AMT	GAIN/LOSS	TYPE
    
    BIDU	2008-10-20-09-47-40	2008-10-20-11-08-59	3000	741000		756600		15566		SHORT
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    BIDU	2008-10-20-11-58-24	2008-10-20-15-56-10	3000	764481		750462		-14053		SHORT
    SPY	2008-10-21-15-14-02	2008-10-21-15-45-58	8000	783520		768000		-15544		LONG
    SWGWR	2008-10-21-12-15-25	2008-10-21-14-23-57	20000	109000		92000		-17331		SPY PUT
    CMEKC	2008-10-23-12-41-50	2008-10-23-15-04-43	7000	157500		126000		-31603		CME CALL
    								
    


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    #505     Oct 24, 2008
  6. kxvid

    kxvid

    Sorry about the loss. Have you considered perhaps changing to a covered call option writing strategy? I am sure you know as well as anyone how expensive options are. By writing OTM December 08 calls on US Steel for example you could make 19% by the end of December. That is fully covered too. Sure X can go down 19% in a month, but the stock is already well below book value.
    If you took your 326,362 and did this over 1 year (326,362 * 1.19 ^ 12) equals 2,631,862 (I kept thinking I was getting a calculator error that number was so large.) Very conservatively beating your goal of 1.2 million.
    Who knows how long this very lucrative high IV of options will last. I think you should strongly consider writing options.
    cheers
     
    #506     Oct 25, 2008
  7. Hey! Looks like CSCO circa 2000. :p :p :p
     
    #507     Oct 25, 2008
  8. neke

    neke

    You are making the mistake most people make, thinking that covered calls are easy money. By the way your 19% is by the end of December, that is 2 months return not one month!

    The IV has not always been this high. But suppose you bought DRYS when it was at $120 a year ago, and kept writing covered calls. Let's even assume you were getting 19% every two months (hasn't been that high before now), and you have been getting it right each time. Guess what? The stock has been declining at rate of 28% every two months (1 -17/120 ^ 1/6). So effectively your account should be down to (1.19 * 0.72) ^ 6, or 40% of the original value. Yes better than owning just the stock (down 86%), but still a huge loss of 60%. Got it?
     
    #508     Oct 25, 2008
  9. kxvid

    kxvid

    Your example illustrates my point actually. If you were stupid enough to pick the worst stock ever to write covered calls on, DRYS, you would only be down 60% vs 86% down in the stock. Really if you saw you stock go from $120 to 16 do you think you would be happily writing calls on it all the way down?

    Your stock can be tanking 19% every 2 months and you still break even. Stocks can appreciate or go sideways you know too. This is the option writing opportunity of a lifetime. You got it?
     
    #509     Oct 25, 2008
  10. IluvVol

    IluvVol

    first of all, congrats for your p&l, high risk trades but you got the balls of steel that have to go with such trades and made it so far. great.

    About your post, I think you are actually comparing apples and oranges. Obviously with different exposures you get different p&l with the same underlying move. If I understood correctly you wanted to make a point why your edge needs to be extremely good. All I am saying is that if you keep the exposure the same then your risk also stays the same. If all you wanted to say is that with extremely high leverage you better be a lot more often right than trading at more conservative levels then I agree.

    You know what I really like about your trading style? You had quite a number of trades where you were simply dead wrong directionally, but quite a number of those you did not just cut but reversed into the opposite direction. Thats pretty cool and I guess what added to your bottom line as well.

     
    #510     Oct 25, 2008
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