Take down confederate flag, and change street names in public places?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jun 20, 2015.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #261     Jun 26, 2015
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Once again, let's look at the truth about Blue and Red states...

    The concept that 'red' states are the 'moochers' is absurd. Let's eliminate military base spending, farm subsidies, and other non-welfare federal spending from the accounting.

    The red states do not really want the military bases that were forced on them. These bases take up large tracts of land that are useful for other economic purposes and require local money spent on policing & other services because they tend to be high crime / low income areas. Let's put a large military base in NYC or Boston - and bulldoze all the existing homes. The displaced residents can survive on the 80%+ of large farm subsidies that are sent to the owners of corporate farms who reside in blue states (but is seen as red state money for some reason).

    Let's focus on federal welfare spending--defined here as childhood nutrition programs, food stamp programs, WIC benefits TANF benefits, and other similar benefits.

    This article from USA Today "New Yorkers lead pack in government benefits" compiled data showing which states had the highest per capita expenditures for every type of government-provided benefit and blue states top the list and red states made up most of the bottom 10.

    Top 10 - Most dependent on government aid
    1 New York
    2 West Virginia
    3 Rhode Island
    4 Maine
    5 Pennsylvania
    6 Massachusetts
    7 Vermont
    8 Kentucky
    9 Michigan
    10 Connecticut

    Bottom 10 - Least dependent on government aid
    41 South Dakota
    42 Nebraska
    43 Wyoming
    44 Idaho
    45 Georgia
    46 Texas
    47 Nevada
    48 Virginia
    49 Colorado
    50 Utah
     
    #262     Jun 26, 2015
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    This is only half the accounting.
     
    #263     Jun 26, 2015
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This is the accounting of Social Welfare Benefits... if you want to create an accounting of states which are takers vs. makers then let's focus on public benefits. At minimum we need to account for farm subsidies based on the state the check is sent to, not the state the farm is claimed to exist in. Similarly let's move all the military bases to blue states and claim they are a form of welfare for the sake of accounting.
     
    #264     Jun 26, 2015
  5. Max E.

    Max E.


    Yeah these companies are comfortable selling music that preaches shooting people and dealing drugs but the confederate flag, and the dukes of hazzard minicar are far too offensive, what a joke.
     
    #265     Jun 26, 2015
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    What I meant, you also need to consider tax receipts.
     
    #266     Jun 26, 2015
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This "red states are welfare queens" argument created by the left was never about tax receipts. It was about lumping every type of federal spending including military bases, social security, roads, farm subsidies, and every other non-public assistance item as "welfare" and declaring the red states to be "welfare queens".

    Are you trying to move the goal posts again now that the left has been called out for their "red states are welfare queens" fabrication?
     
    #267     Jun 26, 2015
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    I started this long ago with (a now dated) article on America's fiscal union. Others have subsequently given the concept its presently uglier hue.
     
    #268     Jun 26, 2015
  9. Obviously this guy needs to be sent to the re-education camp. He found his way off the plantation. A really insightful video from a truly free man who happens to be black.
     
    #269     Jun 26, 2015
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    The GOP isn’t in trouble because of their racist base, they’re in trouble because they’re assholes

    Conservatives — whose week went bad when retailers stopped selling southern treason flags before turning unbearable when the Supreme Court re-shoved affordable health care down America’s throat today — are in a bit of a slump. After being smacked across the snout with a rolled-up copy of Modern Etiquette and told it was considered déclassé to wave a Confederate flag while killing black churchgoers, they are doing a little soul searching and discovering that their soul looks like a raisin that fell under the refrigerator over a year ago.

    According to Matt Lewis at The Daily Beast, Republicans need to take a hard look at this whole dogwhistlin’, red-meat tossin’, hunkerin’ down in the dust with southern yahoos and talking about them thar obstreperous and uppity colored folk.

    The injection of Southerners into the Republican coalition—a coalition they ultimately came to dominate—couldn’t help but change the image of the GOP. There were racial, cultural, political, and even religious implications. Republicans captured the South, yes, but the South also captured the GOP. There were no doubt many salutary benefits to this arrangement—most obviously, an electoral boon that lasted for decades. But it also guaranteed we would eventually see a day of reckoning.​

    Lewis then goes on to soft-peddle the “Southern Strategy,” writing “Whether or not you accept that this was an intentional strategy…”

    It almost as if he is blissfully unaware of the late campaign wizard Lee Atwater bluntly describing it no uncertain terms as the way to the promised land.

    Here is Atwater to explain it for the dim at heart:

    You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*gger, n*gger, n*gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*gger, n*gger.”

    I can see how someone might find that unclear when their thesis is dependent upon pretending it doesn’t exist — but let’s move on.

    Lewis is concerned that, having allowed their Confederate flag-waving crazy cousins into a Republican big tent that is whiter than a Wes Anderson movie, the Republicans can’t get their message heard over all of the yee-hawing, drunken political fistfights, and guns a’shootin’ into the air.

    So here’s what the GOP has to figure it out: How do they continue to get the Bubba vote while shedding appeals to the cultural symbolism of the past? How do they sell their conservative ideas about free markets, strong national defense, and conservative family values to 21st-century Americans?​

    Here is the problem with that.

    That is what Romney ran on in 2012 and the electorate was all, “Nah, we’ll pass” and Romney at least had the virtue of seeming like a decent –albeit out of touch — guy with sincerely held beliefs that were equally out of touch with anyone not still living in the 50’s.

    This election go-around the party bus is top-heavy with smarmy assholes like Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, and Scott Walker, insincere assholes like Rand Paul and Jeb Bush, dumb assholes like Rick Perry, and executive assholes like Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina. To his credit, Marco Rubio to this point only seems like a sweaty overachiever, but the debates may push him into belching forth something equally assholish.

    The problem for the GOP is both the medium and the message. And even if they can somehow tamp down the party’s inherent racism –which is a feature and not a bug — in an election that most likely won’t feature a person of the dusky hue, they’re still going to have to explain that giving more tax cuts to the rich, starting up a few new wars, stripping millions of people of healthcare benefits, while trashing women, minorities, seniors, the poor, unions, gays, and science is what America is yearning for.

    Good luck with that, guys. See you on the other side.

    In the meantime, they’ll have to deal with the more virulent form of racism that under-girds the party and bubbled up to the surface like raw sewage from a broken pipe after Obama was elected, hoping to return to those halcyon days when the movement expressed their bigoty with more finesse and grace.

    If not, well: you go to war with the racists you have, not the racists you wish you had.

    --Tom Boggioni
     
    #270     Jun 26, 2015