TA - Objective or Psychological Skill?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by cornix, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Proof of nothing, of course. It does not prove anything at all. As I said, no track record could be used to prove or disprove anything. I was asked to post, so I did. I do OK, but it does not mean I will be doing well down the road. It was my original point! All I can say that my model logically makes sense to me and that is why I am running it. Notice, no reference to any magical indicators, squiggly lines, elaborated models and charts. Just pure psychology! And, no, I am not sure it will work forever, but it is working so far.
     
    #381     Jun 27, 2013
  2. dom993

    dom993

    That his trading methodology works despite the claim of no backtesting. I asked for it, and I am happy with that.
     
    #382     Jun 27, 2013
  3. jem

    jem

    Of course that it t/a.
    Anybody who writes or blogs about trading during the day talks about how markets react at support an resistance. How do you anticipate support and resistance... either by having a damn good memory... looking at time and sales or looking at charts.
    Its all technical analysis. You are using methods to analyze trading data. Momentum analysis. Deviation from the mean. Recent highs and lows. Moving average... all can be very useful for making relative strength comparisions and cross market comparisons.

    2.

    When I decided I really wanted to trade I left a scammy soes place and went to bright trading in la jolla ca. I was a break even trader in about 6 months of watching and trading. but I was starting to have good days.

    With two other guys I opened a van buren securiutes office. With my cheaper commissions I could pay for the overhead but I was breaking even maybe even down a few hundreds bucks a month when factoring in overhead.

    But, I had been speaking with guys who were killing it in our san francisco van buren office.

    I went up there... they trained me. I paid them an an override on my commissions.

    I made 600 bucks the first day... and went on to make money every month the next 5-6 years.

    During that time we backed traders with our own money trained them and made money off of them for about 2 year period. We had about 10 successful traders in our office and the guys in san francisco trained 50 guys who made money for while.


    Basically we used t/a to find stocks that were at of whack with the s&p... then we would watch them... and then when it seemed likely they would move and the whole market would move we would take the offer and hit the bid and look for the move back to where they should be on a relative basis. And it worked.

    Hedgefunds used to stats to find the stocks out of alignment... we used charts.


     
    #383     Jun 27, 2013
  4. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    That I believe! But that is not TA at all! That is” a know-how"; and I am glad and thankful that you have shared this story!
     
    #384     Jun 27, 2013
  5. jem

    jem

    I changed it a bit... after you quoted...but of course its t/a.
    know how gained by watching charts.

    If you are watching charts and note that every time a program turns on they buy xom... you think about buying xom on pullbacks to the spot where they likely to turn on the programs.

    Which by the way was something led to me making a 1000 dollars a day for 88 out of 90 days at one time.

    and I only lost a little on the losing days.




     
    #385     Jun 27, 2013
  6. dom993

    dom993

    Maestro, as a curiosity ... if track-records cannot prove that a trading methodology works, what is it that "allows" you to dismiss the entire concept of TA ?

    It seems to me that the null hypothesis for "Objective TA doesn't work" would be "there is one Objective TA system that works". If track-record doesn't prove a system works, what does, then?
     
    #386     Jun 27, 2013
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    You have any interest in buying the Brooklyn bridge? I can produce proof of ownership in just a few minutes.
     
    #387     Jun 27, 2013
  8. nothing has changed, price movement is the same as it was 20 years ago.

    except.....

    what used to take 10 minutes now takes 10 milliseconds.

    good luck with that
     
    #388     Jun 27, 2013
  9. dom993

    dom993

    Please go ahead ;-)
     
    #389     Jun 27, 2013
  10. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    I have ways to explain my methods to just about anybody. I've taught it to several people, quite a few of whom "got it". Those who "got it" can tell you where I went long or short each day and why. I'm not sure any of them trade all the setups because you're definitely spot on about one thing: You've got to take any framework you decide to base trades on, make it your own, and come to trust it. If you don't trust a system, you won't trade it no matter how great the return is. I could've mirrored every trade of a guy who called trades in advance for the better part of 2009, while I was struggling. He called every trade well in advance with entry, stop and target. He returned over 100% on his account that year. I didn't shadow a single one of those trades because I didn't understand price action back then and so I didn't trust his trades. I believed every one of them would fail.
     
    #390     Jun 27, 2013