System needs input

Discussion in 'Options' started by mutluit, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. mutluit

    mutluit

    For those who question an options strategy with 500% profit/year:

    just take a look at what this big firm writes at their website:

    "Direxion Daily S&P 500® Bear 3x Shares
    The Daily S&P 500® Bear 3x ETF seeks daily investment results, before fees and expenses, of 300% of the inverse (or opposite) of the performance of the S&P 500® Index."
    http://www.direxionfunds.com/products/direxion-daily-sp-500-bear-3x-etf

    If I'm not misunderstanding their statement, they even talk of 300% per day (!), isn't it? :confused:


    EDIT:
    they even explicitly state it in bold that the 300% is _daily_!

    http://www.direxionfunds.com/products/direxion-daily-sp-500-bear-3x-etf
    "Overview
    This leveraged ETF seeks a return that is -300% the return of its benchmark index for a single day. The pursuit of a daily leveraged investment goals means that the return of the Fund for a period longer than a single day will be the product of the series of daily leveraged returns for each day during the relevant period. The fund should not be expected to provide three times the return of the benchmark’s cumulative return for periods greater than a day.
    "

    I don't know how this can work...
     
    #21     Nov 17, 2012
  2. mutluit

    mutluit

    it seems they are making 300% today and lose 300% the next day, ie. averaging to 0% on the long run...
    That's gambling, not a strategy.
    Their DD is 300%... wtf :mad:
     
    #22     Nov 17, 2012
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    300percent of the spx return. If spx moves 1percent, they move 3percent.
     
    #23     Nov 17, 2012
  4. byteme

    byteme

    Last time I checked, it was against US option exchange rules to submit automated orders.

    Have those rules changed?
     
    #24     Nov 17, 2012
  5. mutluit

    mutluit

    Which century was it when you last checked it? :D
     
    #25     Nov 17, 2012
  6. correct me if i'm wrong but i believe it's still not allowed in this century.
     
    #26     Nov 17, 2012
  7. No, they finally changed it. There was no way to enforce it anyway. IB kept after them:

    Jonathan G. Katz, Secretary
    Securities and Exchange Commission
    450 Fifth Street, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20549
    Re: Proposed Rule Change by the Chicago Board Options Exchange
    Relating to the Prohibition Against Electronically Generated and
    Communicated Orders, File No. SR-CBOE-00-57
    Dear Mr. Katz:
    Interactive Brokers LLC (“IB”)1 respectfully submits these comments on the proposed
    rule change submitted by the Chicago Board Options Exchange (“CBOE”) imposing yet another
    restriction on public customer access to its Retail Automatic Execution System (“RAES”)
    system. For the reasons outlined below, the rule should be disapproved.
    1 Interactive Brokers LLC is a registered broker-dealer and a member in good standing of all U.S.
    option exchanges.
    2
    * * *
    Introduction: Over the objection of a number of commenters, including Interactive
    Brokers, the Commission has allowed the options exchanges over the past year to implement
    rules under which public customers are prohibited from sending to exchange order routing
    systems option orders that have been created and generated electronically without manual
    intervention. We have argued that these rules distort the exchange price discovery function,
    foster wider spreads, and impair liquidity by preventing public customers from using pricing
    programs that might generate faster and more competitive prices than those of the professional
    market makers that operate under the exclusive franchises granted them by the exchanges. We
    have also argued that these rules are contrary to settled Commission policy in that they interfere
    with market efficiency by placing artificial technological restraints on traders. Finally, we have
    argued that these rules are impossible for broker-dealers to enforce against their customers and
    are so ambiguous as to invite selective prosecution against exchange members whose customers
    are sophisticated and able to trade successfully against market makers.
    Notwithstanding these problems with the existing rules, the CBOE now seeks to expand
    its rule. At the direct behest of one of its Designated Primary Market Makers, the CBOE has
    submitted a proposal to expand the reach of the prohibition against electronically generated and
    transmitted orders. Under the proposed rule, an order would be “deemed” electronically
    generated and communicated for purposes of the Rule even if the order creation and transmission
    process involves human intervention – if such intervention can be described as “minimal”. No
    standards are provided to describe what the exchange will determine to be “enough” human
    intervention to enable an order to be transmitted to the exchange’s order routing system





    SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION

    [Release No. 34-51030; File No. SR-CBOE-2004-91]


    Self-Regulatory Organizations; Notice of Filing and Immediate
    Effectiveness of Proposed Rule Change and Amendment No. 1 Thereto by
    the Chicago Board Options Exchange, Incorporated To Extend a Pilot
    Program and Eliminate the Rule Prohibiting Electronically Generated and
    Communicated Orders

    January 12, 2005.
    Pursuant to Section 19(b)(1) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
    (``Act''),\1\ and Rule 19b-4 \2\ thereunder, notice is hereby given
    that on December 29, 2004, the Chicago Board Options Exchange,
    Incorporated (``CBOE'' or ``Exchange'') filed with the Securities

    [[Page 3405]]

    and Exchange Commission (``Commission'') the proposed rule change as
    described in Items I and II below, which Items have been prepared by
    the Exchange. On January 7, 2005, the Exchange filed Amendment No. 1 to
    the proposed rule change.\3\ The Exchange filed the proposal, as
    amended, as a ``non-controversial'' proposed rule change pursuant to
    Section 19(b)(3)(A)(iii) of the Act \4\ and Rule 19b-4(f)(6)
    thereunder.\5\ The Commission is publishing this notice to solicit
    comments on the proposed rule change, as amended, from interested
    persons.
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    \1\ 15 U.S.C. 78s(b)(1).
    \2\ 17 CFR 240.19b-4.
    \3\ See Form 19b-4 dated January 7, 2005 (``Amendment No. 1'').
    Amendment No. 1 made minor revisions to Item 7 of the proposed rule
    change as originally filed.
    \4\ 15 U.S.C. 78s(b)(3)(A)(iii).
    \5\ 17 CFR 240.19b-4(f)(6).
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    I. Self-Regulatory Organization's Statement of the Terms of Substance
    of the Proposed Rule Change

    The Exchange proposes to extend the pilot program in CBOE Rule 6.13
    relating to market maker access to the Exchange's automatic execution
    system and to eliminate CBOE Rule 6.8A prohibiting the electronic
    generation and communication of orders.
    Below is the text of the proposed rule change. Proposed additions
    are italicized; proposed deletions are [bracketed].

    Rules of the Chicago Board Options Exchange

    * * * * *
    Rule 6.8A. [Electronically Generated and Communicated Orders] Reserved

    [(a) Members may not enter, nor permit the entry of, orders into
    the Exchange's Order Routing System if those orders are created and
    communicated electronically without manual input (i.e., order entry
    must involve manual input such as entering the terms of an order into
    an order-entry screen or manually selecting a displayed order against
    which an off-setting order should be sent), and if such orders are
    eligible for execution on RAES at the time they are sent. Nothing in
    this paragraph, however, prohibits members from electronically
    communicating to the Exchange orders manually entered by customers into
    front-end communication systems (e.g., Internet gateways, online
    networks, etc.). An order is eligible for execution on RAES if:
    (1) Its size is equal to or less than the maximum RAES order size
    for the particular series;
    (2) For public customer orders, the order is marketable or is
    tradable pursuant to the RAES auto step-up feature at the time it is
    sent; or for broker-dealer orders, the order is otherwise submitted in
    accordance with Interpretation .01 of Rule 6.8; and
    (3) If the order has either no contingency or has a contingency
    that is accepted for execution by the RAES system.
    A marketable order is a market order or a limit order where the
    specified price to sell is below or at the current bid, or if to buy is
    above or at the current offer. An order is tradable pursuant to the
    RAES auto step-up feature if the appropriate Floor Procedure Committee
    has designated the class as an automatic step-up class and if the
    National Best Bid or Offer for the particular series is reflected by
    the current best bid or offer in another market by no more than the
    step-up amount as defined in Interpretation .02 of Rule 6.8.
    (b) The Exchange's Order Routing System ( ``ORS'') is the
    Exchange's electronic order routing and delivery system which routes
    orders to the Exchange's automatic and electronic execution systems and
    to other Exchange systems, such as handheld terminals and trade match
    systems. The ORS also delivers electronic fill reports and order status
    reports.]
     
    #27     Nov 18, 2012