Swing trading with Butterflies

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Global OptionsTrades, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. jamesbp

    jamesbp


    Andy

    Good to have you back from the beach !
    2 quick questions ...

    1. Any particular reason that you traded SPX flies that were 95 points wide (4210-4305-4400) -v- say 100 points wide (4200-4300-4400) ?

    2. Do you ever look at / consider Fly price arc as part of process
    ... this is for FTSE ... but am sure available for all other indexes

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    #61     Sep 23, 2021
  2. Sorry James, I missed this reply.

    1. Rounding to nearest strike is the answer. I might have a target price for DAX for example, which is rounded to the nearest 50 strike. For SPX, strikes are at 5 point intervals. If intervals were wider, I would have rounded to 4200/4300/4400.

    2. Is that P&L at expiry for varying spot at expiry? If so, what do the minor grey lines represent?

    PS I might have been a bit pessimistic with the SPX trade btw - expiry this Friday would be looking good today!
     
    #62     Sep 29, 2021
  3. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Andy

    The Fly Price Arc is just a table of current Fly prices, bold colour is front month, grey colours are back months ... just provides some colour on how Fly Price may move with Spot / Time ...

    Going to be an interesting run into Fri expiry for your SPX Fly ... and whether any selling post Quarter End / JPM Put-Spread Collar unwinding

    Cheers
    James
     
    #63     Sep 29, 2021
  4. A quick update.

    Half of the short SPX position filled at twice the price paid for it so the other half is now a free bet and will hopefully prove to be a useful hedge against a long portfolio next week.

    I'm trying to initiate a short position on oil for expiry next Friday and will post the trade here if it fills today.
     
    #64     Oct 1, 2021
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    Opec+JMMC is having confabs on Monday. Maybe consider holding off on entering that trade until Tuesday, after market has digested what they said that day.
     
    #65     Oct 1, 2021
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  6. Thanks for that heads-up!:thumbsup:

    I had an order for 231 71/73/77 looking to fill at .90 but it didn't fill. Will keep a watchful eye over oil today and tomorrow.
     
    #66     Oct 4, 2021
  7. Opened a short position on FTSE for Friday expiry.

    Trade date: 04 October 2021
    Security: FTSE
    Price at opening: 7034
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 08 October 2021
    Strikes: 6900 / 7000 / 7100
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 23.00
     
    #67     Oct 4, 2021
  8. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Andy

    I presume these are the FTSE Flex options quoted on ICE that expire at 4.30 PM on nearest two Friday's ( rather than standard Monthly/Quarterly FTSE options that expire at 10.15am on third Friday )

    Cheers
    James
     
    #68     Oct 4, 2021
  9. That's correct.
     
    #69     Oct 5, 2021
  10. The remaining half of the SPX trade (#60) closed in profit yesterday, providing a useful hedge against long stock positions.

    Trade date: 22 September 2021
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4404
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 08 October 2021
    Strikes: 4210 / 4305 / 4400
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 10.35
    Close date: 04 October 2021
    Trade duration: 12
    Closing spread: 26.00
    Profit / (Loss): 15.65
    Profit / (Loss): 151.2%
     
    #70     Oct 5, 2021