Swing trading with Butterflies

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Global OptionsTrades, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. Opened a trade in SPX much closer to the money than I am usually comfortable with.

    Trade date: 05 August 2021
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4429
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 09 August 2021
    Strikes: 4380 / 4430 / 4455
    Structure: 1 / 3 / 2
    Opening Spread: 19.50
     
    #21     Aug 7, 2021
  2. Opened this on NFLX yesterday:

    Trade date: 06 August 2021
    Security: NFLX
    Price at opening: 523
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 13 August 2021
    Strikes: 512.5 / 527.5 / 535
    Structure: 1 / 3 / 2
    Opening Spread: 4.71
     
    #22     Aug 7, 2021
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  3. A very disappointing week - the joys of publishing in a jounal!

    18 DTE positions in SPX and DAX (per #8) both expired OtM for a 100% loss.

    Escaped with a small profit on oil:

    Trade date: 03 August 2021
    Security: CL
    Price at opening: 71.62
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 06 August 2021
    Strikes: 69.5 / 71.25 / 73
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 0.46
    Close date: 06 August 2021
    Trade duration: 3
    Closing spread: 0.58
    Profit / (Loss) 0.12
    Profit / (Loss) 26.1%
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2021
    #23     Aug 7, 2021
  4. Revisiting this, I mentioned a glitch in my modelling and have addressed that.

    It looks like I'll be putting on more unbalanced trades in future where expected P&L exceeds that for 121.
     
    #24     Aug 7, 2021
  5. taowave

    taowave

    Hi,
    Hate to sound like a Monday morning quarterback,but what prompted you to put the SPX fly on??

    Don't love the risk reward(paying 40 percent of max profit),haven't looked at theta/gamma and I would be suprised if there was any skew edge..

    Unless vol is jacked,I am not a,big fan of ATM flys




     
    #25     Aug 7, 2021
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  6. .sigma

    .sigma

    why would an exceeded expected P/L warrant a skip strike ratio over a symmetrical?
     
    #26     Aug 8, 2021
  7. taowave

    taowave

    The obvious answer is the embedded short vertical is overpriced by whatever measure one chooses to value expected return.

    I do it all the time on OTM flies with what I believe ( hope) is positive skew delta..Often,the 1x2 stands on its own but the far wing provides my beauty sleep and cuts down on margin:)

    ATM flys require a Delta hedge
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2021
    #27     Aug 8, 2021
  8. Wasn't able to pop this on before the end of the session on Friday but got a reasonable opening price earlier today.

    Trade date: 09 August 2021
    Security: RUT
    Price at opening: 2247
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 11 August 2021
    Strikes: 2210 / 2260 / 2285
    Structure: 1 / 3 / 2
    Opening Spread: 15.90
     
    #28     Aug 9, 2021
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  9. The AtM SPX trade closed earlier at a profit.

    Trade date: 05 August 2021
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4429
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 09 August 2021
    Strikes: 4380 / 4430 / 4455
    Structure: 1 / 3 / 2
    Opening Spread: 19.50
    Close date: 09 August 2021
    Trade duration: 4
    Closing spread: 25.00
    Profit / (Loss) 5.50
    Profit / (Loss) 28.2%
     
    #29     Aug 9, 2021
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  10. Opened short positions today:

    Trade date: 11 August 2021
    Security: CL
    Price at opening: 4429
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 27 August 2021
    Strikes: 62 / 65 / 67.75
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 0.42

    Trade date: 11 August 2021
    Security: ADBE
    Price at opening: 623
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 13 August 2021
    Strikes: 615 / 620 / 630
    Structure: 2 / 3 / 1
    Opening Spread: 3.19

    Trade date: 11 August 2021
    Security: NDX
    Price at opening: 4429
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 13 August 2021
    Strikes: 14830 / 15010 / 15100
    Structure: 1 / 3 / 2
    Opening Spread: 53.45

    NB Partially closed the NDX position later in the day at just over 60 but will wait for the remainder to close or expire before posting a weighted average closing spread.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2021
    #30     Aug 11, 2021