Swing trading with Butterflies

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Global OptionsTrades, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. taowave

    taowave

    Are you long 1 of the 2175 or 2??
    I quote the " expensive" wing first.
    Im guessing you are long 1 of the 2175 strike,risking 7 to make 43..


     
    #131     Jan 12, 2022
  2. You guessed right!

    I tend to write them in ascending order because it seems conventional, flows better and seems more easily comprehensible, but to clarify for a position size of one:
    long 2 2100 calls (at c.4 each)
    short 3 2125 calls (at c.7 each)
    long 1 2175 call (at c.20 each)
    Net spread cost 7. Max closing spread is 50. Max profit is 43. Max profit > 600% (ignoring commission)
    I place a series of closing orders significantly less ambitious than that!
     
    #132     Jan 12, 2022
  3. taowave

    taowave

    I see what you are doing.....

    We are talking puts :)



     
    #133     Jan 12, 2022
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  4. Oops! :rolleyes:

    Yes; Puts, per the original trade in post #130. I can't edit #132 which is obviously incorrect.
     
    #134     Jan 12, 2022
  5. I got the S&P wrong.

    Trade date: 10 January 2022
    Security: ES
    Price at opening: 4589
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 12 January 2022
    Strikes: 4505 / 4535 / 4565
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 1.69
    Close date: 12 January 2022
    Trade duration: 2
    Closing spread: -
    Profit / (Loss): -1.69
    Profit / (Loss): -100.0%

    The RUT trade partially offset the loss.

    Trade date: 11 January 2022
    Security: RUT
    Price at opening: 2167
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 14 January 2022
    Strikes: 2100 / 2125 / 2175
    Structure: 2 / 3 / 1
    Opening Spread: 7.00
    Close date: 12 January 2022
    Trade duration: 1
    Closing spread: 8.83
    Profit / (Loss): 1.83
    Profit / (Loss): 26.1%
     
    #135     Jan 13, 2022
  6. Put fly on Nasdaq filled late on Friday and I didn't get around to popping it on here over the weekend. Closing orders filled this morning.

    Trade date: 14 January 2022
    Security: NQ
    Price at opening: 15454
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 18 January 2022
    Strikes: 15080 / 15220 / 15500
    Structure: 2 / 3 / 1
    Opening Spread: 42.25
    Close date: 18 January 2022
    Trade duration: 4
    Closing spread: 55.25
    Profit / (Loss): 13.00
    Profit / (Loss): 30.8%
     
    #136     Jan 18, 2022
  7. Opened a short fly on S&P500 today.

    Trade date: 18 January 2022
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4592
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 21 January 2022
    Strikes: 4480 / 4520 / 4600
    Structure: 2 / 3 / 1
    Opening Spread: 12.05
     
    #137     Jan 18, 2022
  8. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    So you trade both SPX and ES?
     
    #138     Jan 18, 2022
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  9. Hi @Global OptionsTrades

    Like it. Following the thread. New to Opts. Could you please help me understand the following:

    1. If you are doing a long butterfly and your short contracts are ITM, then a. do you keep this open this Options Close. and b. do you get assigned on the short side and if so what is your plan ?

    Example: ES 1/2/1 - 1 long call, 2 short calls and 1 long call. If you get assigned when 1 long call and 2 short calls are ITM and the short calls are the ones assigned, what is the plan ?

    2. How many lots do you trade ?

    Thank you
     
    #139     Jan 18, 2022
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  10. Yes. I prefer cash-settled if they're close to ItM near expiry, but sometimes the smaller contract size is useful for multiple exit orders.
     
    #140     Jan 19, 2022