Swing trading with Butterflies

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Global OptionsTrades, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. I ran a journal here in 2019:
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/global-options-trades.330518/
    The first post there provides some background.

    In the intervening time, I have continued to read, learn, analyse, backtest, etc and have moved from single long directional positions, through credit and debit spreads, alighting most recently on using butterflies.

    One major source of help was @destriero - for which, many thanks - but I have struggled to find a significant edge predicting movement in volatility, or to adjust positions with consistent profitability.

    The butterfly structure does seem to work well for my directional views though. I've been following Caroy's Weekly Pin Butterfly Strategy journal with great interest, and although using different methodology, we have taken a similar path in terms of pitfalls and successes. Thanks to @caroy for the insight and inspiration.

    I'm continuing to trade options on a range of indices, fx, and oil, but have also recently incorporated some single name stocks.

    Timeframes have come down from trade durations of several weeks to between 2 and 20 DTE at opening. I place a range of closing orders, and occasionally, these have filled during the same day. I haven't attempted to trade intraday.

    The last 50 trades have produced 39% gross profit (ignoring commission) on VaR (opening spread in the case of symmetrical butterflies).
    Average duration has been 5.9 days.

    I'll try to pop trades on here on the day that they are opened, and then when closed, and would welcome constructive thoughts, ideas and criticism.
     
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  2. LuckyMac

    LuckyMac

    Would really like to see some trades for sure :)
     
  3. Trade date: 15 July 2021
    Security: FTSE
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 6875 / 6950 / 7025
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 8.67

    Trade date: 26 July 2021
    Security: GBP
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 1.3725 / 1.38 / 1.3875
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 0.0021

    Trade date: 26 July 2021
    Security: RUT
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 2155 / 2185 / 2215
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 4.55

    Trade date: 27 July 2021
    Security: DAX
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 15300 / 15400 / 15500
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 9.00

    Was distracted for a few hours but these were trades open this morning for expiry today.

    I'll add open positions expiring next week on Sunday.
     
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  4. caroy

    caroy

    Subbed looking forward to following this.
     
  5. taowave

    taowave

    Good thread..Would you add the last price to make things a bit easier..

    I only trade structures similar to you if I believe I get skew edge/skew Delta.( sticky delta)

    Is your approach strictly directional??

     
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  6. Closing positions for Friday expiry:

    Trade date: 15 July 2021
    Security: FTSE
    Price at opening: 7090
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 6875 / 6950 / 7025
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 8.67
    Close date: 30 July 2021
    Trade duration: 15
    Closing spread: 9.67
    Profit / (Loss) 1.00
    Profit / (Loss) 11.5%

    Trade date: 26 July 2021
    Security: GBP
    Price at opening: 1.3765
    Direction: Call
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 1.3725 / 1.38 / 1.3875
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 0.0021
    Close date: 28 July 2021
    Trade duration: 2
    Closing spread: 0.0000
    Profit / (Loss) -0.0021
    Profit / (Loss) -100.0%

    Trade date: 26 July 2021
    Security: RUT
    Price at opening: 2214
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 2155 / 2185 / 2215
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 4.55
    Close date: 30 July 2021
    Trade duration: 4
    Closing spread: 0.00
    Profit / (Loss) -4.55
    Profit / (Loss) -100.0%

    Trade date: 27 July 2021
    Security: DAX
    Price at opening: 15522
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 30 July 2021
    Strikes: 15300 / 15400 / 15500
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 9.00
    Close date: 30 July 2021
    Trade duration: 3
    Closing spread: 19.40
    Profit / (Loss) 10.40
    Profit / (Loss) 115.6%

    Not a great start to the journal, with 1 expiring OtM, GBP assigned ItM for 100% loss, FTSE closing at a small profit, and DAX doing well, but not well enough to cover losses on the other positions this week.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  7. Thanks for the comment @taowave

    Good point; I've added price at opening and will do so for future trades.

    Rationale is directional, but there is a bit of filtration to determine which signals I trade. Skew has to be favourable, which eliminates a lot of long trades. I then run BS through a MonteCarlo simulation to determine a reasonable expected outcome.
     
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  8. Current open trades are bearish:

    Trade date: 19 July 2021
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4243
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 06 August 2021
    Strikes: 4080 / 4160 / 4240
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 7.50

    Trade date: 19 July 2021
    Security: SPX
    Price at opening: 4243
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 09 August 2021
    Strikes: 4080 / 4160 / 4240
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 7.25

    Trade date: 19 July 2021
    Security: DAX
    Price at opening: 15220
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 06 August 2021
    Strikes: 14650 / 15000 / 15350
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 56.00

    Trade date: 19 July 2021
    Security: DAX
    Price at opening: 15220
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 13 August 2021
    Strikes: 14650 / 15000 / 15350
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 45.40

    Trade date: 26 July 2021
    Security: RUT
    Price at opening: 2214
    Direction: Put
    Expiry date: 19 August 2021
    Strikes: 2050 / 2100 / 2150
    Structure: 1 / 2 / 1
    Opening Spread: 3.90
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  9. NDX 02 Aug 14730/14780/14830 Put didn't fill at 3.0 on Friday.
     
  10. .sigma

    .sigma

    Just saw this, just subb’d
     
    #10     Aug 2, 2021
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