Swing Trading >> Daytrading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by HolyGrailSeeker, Jul 14, 2020.

  1. easymon1

    easymon1

    I've found 'premarket, say from 7:45 AM ET to 9:25 AM to be no more productive than any other non-main session hours. ymmv.
    Suggest not only that 'day trading' can happen pre market but 6:00 PM ET, 8:00 PM, 2:00 AM, and all points in between and after.
    Staying in after and before the main session puts you in the 'Swing Trade' realm with all the attendant joys and perils, and those gaps can get your attention, good or bad. Fail to plan, and plan to fail.
     
    #51     Jul 19, 2020
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  2. Bugsy

    Bugsy

    The vast majority of a pre market/post market gap up or down action happens after the market opens not during the off hours. So most day traders are trading the market open gap up and gap down stocks. Many times the open is followed by a reversal towards where the gap came from giving the day traders a way in.
     
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    #52     Jul 19, 2020
  3. easymon1

    easymon1

    gaps are not my cup o tea. i'll look at dead cat bounce apexes at the gap for rentry in the direction of the trend, so if the trend was down and the gap was down and the bounce approaches the down gap, it's worth a look to see about using the gap as a backboard for a reentry downward and using a stop area on one side or the other as a stop, in the event that the cat is indeed dead, but lotsa times the kitty is on life 3, not 9.
    trading futures, i don't trade stocks, but can see why others do.
    here's a nice trade that occured in the 'off hours' that is emblematic of what can be done. it ain't too shabby. i only just started trading double bottoms less than a month ago but this one coupled with the fifty made for a nice squeaky tight stop and was basically plug and play.
    quick and simple.
    double bottom 9994 gc 10m.png
     
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    #53     Jul 19, 2020
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  4. Bugsy

    Bugsy

    That's a nice gap up but it looks like its topping out dipping below that 50 and not reaching prior high at top at the end there, especially given the closes into the breakout (just my 2 cents).
     
    #54     Jul 19, 2020
  5. easymon1

    easymon1

    gap? lol, something tells me you are a gap man.

    not in my toolboxx tho, too much work.
    i like them simpler than the few gap plays i've seen explained.
    Would be a good thread that explained how to gain consistent profits with Gap Plays.
    i'd read it, even tho i don't trade stocks.

    That chart you see there is a night shift dbl bottom, measured move, enter on bounce off the 50ma backstop. it's a wrap. exited at the target. fini.

    The entry's different on that one but That dbl bot trade was explained in the first post of the first search return a few minutes after i read an et question and comment by mr scat that yes dbl tops are a type of price action. Pretty snap pop, rollin' off a log and has a measured move built in. can't complain. scat found me a deal on a computer, two video cards, and threw in a trade to boot. lol.

    i've not run across any convincing gap play info compared to the simple short term hammers @ S&R, dbl tops&bots, and the like, which implement quickly and lend themselves to fast charts and multi iterations per sit-down, rain or shine, day or night.

    here's more of the same simple, boring method...

    Night Shift - Day Trading
    Double Top Measured Move
    50 to 200 Trade
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/charts-for-no-reason.344272/page-7#post-5159919
     
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    #55     Jul 20, 2020
  6. Bugsy

    Bugsy

    I consider long candles, which are essentially a quick massive move, the same as a gap. And yes, I do play gaps on a pretty significant level as far as signals for entry/ exit.
     
    #56     Jul 20, 2020
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  7. you get more leverage and risk is limited in daytrading. especially in individual stocks.
    daytraders trade only 100 sharres, their risk only $200 or $100 but reward is only $100 or $200 which known as singles daytraders are not looking for home runs which is rare. same with long term investments . home runs are rare. home run would be if you bough the low of march 23 and didn't sell...but that is only one occassion for the entire year. what do these people for the entire year ,,just one trade? the case where you buy the low in march 23 and market goes up 50% in 3 months are very rare only happens once in every 10 years.
     
    #57     Jul 20, 2020
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    We option traders need movements. Here is a table from Sinclair indicating much higher excess Kurtosis during off hour - more movements:

    upload_2020-7-21_9-24-6.png

    @KCalhoun can trade pre market but there is no pre market equity option trades.
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2020
    #58     Jul 21, 2020
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    Appreciate your reply.
     
    #59     Jul 21, 2020
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  10. easymon1

    easymon1

    What A Day To Be TraDing, Turn-Around-Tuesday, July 21 2020, nq 5m.



     
    #60     Jul 21, 2020