axeman, as usual, you are right and venuto rules. he is not some out of shape book author making claims without walking the walk. he knows from experience what works and i do, too. any fat ass posting in this thread should lose their fat before they make a peep here. i have studied pretty much all of venuto's articles and he is right on. reducing carbs and upping protein DOES WORK--especially if you already have low body fat and want to get ripped. i think venuto's stuff is better than atkins, although they both up protein and reduce carbs. anyway, i'm pretty much doing venuto's phase 3 right now. today i will run 3 miles in the am and 3 miles in the pm. i will eat ~1800 calories (i cycle my calories), of which about 55% will come from protein powder (from proteinfactory.com <-- they rule). my carbs will come from stuff like grapes, potatoes, etc. and my fat will come from good fat (nuts, flax oil, etc.) and not from a huge steak. there is more to it than this, but this general approach WORKS.
You're right it was easy to find flaws in your reasoning and facts. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAN ORNISH Having seen what a powerful difference changes in diet and lifestyle can make, I am concerned that BAM readers may be misled by the inaccurate statements in "Eating for Life." The article states: "Neither diet [the Ornish diet and the popular Atkins diet] has proven to be effective in the long term, and both can deprive people of nutrients that are essential to good health." It is true that Dr. Atkins has never published any studies in any journal, and it is true that high-protein diets can be hazardous to your health. However, my colleagues and I have spent the past twenty-three years conducting research demonstrating that the progression of even severe coronary heart disease can often be reversed when people make the diet and lifestyle changes that we recommend. Our findings have been in the leading peer-reviewed medical journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, The Lancet, Circu-lation, the American Journal of Cardi-ology, and the New England Journal of Medicine. We found that there was even more reversal of coronary athero- sclerosis after five years than after one year, and there were 2.5 times fewer cardiac events in the experimental group than in the randomized control group. We also found that the average patient lost twenty-five pounds in the first year and had kept off approximately one half of that five years later. In contrast, the government did a survey of all the major weight-loss programs and found that within five years, 97 percent of the people whoâd lost weight had regained all of it. My colleagues and I at the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute have trained more than twenty hospitals nationwide. We have found no evidence of nutritional deficiencies in those following our dietary recommendations. We found that almost 80 percent of people who were eligible for bypass surgery or angioplasty were able to safely avoid it by making these changes in diet and lifestyle instead. Recently, Medicare agreed to pay for 1,800 patients to go through a demonstration project to determine if similar results can occur in the Medicare population. It is true that a diet can be too low in fat, but the diet that I recommend for reversing heart disease has approximately 10 percent of calories from fat. One requires only about five percent of calories from fat to provide the essential fatty acids and to absorb all fat-soluble nutrients. Flynnâs assertion that the diet I recommend is so low in fat that the body cannot absorb vegetable nutrients is simply not true. The article credits Flynn with saying that "there is no evidence that dietary fat has a relationship with weight problems at all. When she conducted a study that placed two groups of people on low-fat and high-fat diets containing the same number of calories, she found no difference in weight loss." This is not surprising, since caloric intake is the major factor in determining weight. However, fat has nine calories per gram, and protein and carbohydrates have only four calories per gram. Therefore, you can consume one third fewer calories on a 10 percent fat diet than on a 40 percent fat diet yet consume the same amount of food. Most weight-loss diets fail because they ask people to consume one third fewer calories by eating one third less food. Sooner or later, people feel hungry and deprived, they get off the diet, they gain the weight back, and they usually blame themselves for not having enough discipline or will- power when they were just going about it in the wrong way. I am a scientist because I believe in the value of science to help separate fact from fiction. In reviewing the National Library of Medicine database, I was unable to find any articles by Flynn demonstrating that the diet she recommends can help people lose weight and keep it off. I am glad her coauthor was able to lose five pounds after returning from Italy, but this is hardly scientific. Indeed, olive oil, like all oils, is 100 percent fat and contains fourteen grams of fat per tablespoon, almost as much as a scoop of Ben & Jerryâs ice cream. No one would put two scoops of ice cream on their pasta and expect to lose weight, but Flynn would have us believe that two tablespoons of olive oil will magically cause us to do so. I would like to be able to say this is true, but it is not. The Mediterranean diet is a more healthful diet than the American diet, but it is not as healthful as an Asian diet. The leading cause of death in Mediterranean countries is heart disease. Rates of heart disease, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, and other degenerative diseases are higher in most Mediterranean countries than in most Asian countries that consume a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based diet. Finally, it is common for people to eat low-fat diets that are unhealthful if they are based on simple carbohydrates (white flour, sugar, and alcohol). The diet I recommend is a whole-foods, plant-based diet that consists predominantly of fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, and soy products in their natural forms. These foods are low in disease-causing substances such as cholesterol, saturated fat, and oxidants, and are rich in more than a thousand substances that have anti-cancer, antiâheart disease, and anti-aging properties. A 10 percent-fat diet is necessary to reverse heart disease without cholesterol-lowering drugs, but more moderate changes may be adequate for preventing disease. To the degree that one moves in that direction, there is a corresponding benefit. Dean Ornish Clinical Professor of Medicine UC San Francisco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not too shabby for a "worthless diet".
These are not flaws and incorrect facts. The *NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES* recommended those numbers. You guys Do realize this red neck with the GTO is LONGSHOT right? He replies exactly the same way with his usual laughing face. He just hijacked the thread again as another alias because he got his ass handed to him on a platter earlier. The Ornish diet is way to EXTREME and nearly impossible to follow unless your about to die of a heart attack. If you were on a good diet to start with, you would never NEED to be on this diet. If your on this diet NOW "just becuase" then your simply a cult follower. peace axeman
Once he made his last reply, yes. So that one goes on Ignore as well. Interesting that he would choose "69" as part of his name
Yeah... now I have TWO id's on my ignore list... longshot and longshot...LOL Although according to longshotspenis, 69 is a misnomer. In his case its ".9" LMAOOOO peace axeman