Sweet tooth or fat tooth?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Toonces, Jan 22, 2004.

Does food preference affect dietary beliefs?

  1. I have a fat tooth and believe in low carb

    6 vote(s)
    24.0%
  2. I have a fat tooth and believe in low fat

    4 vote(s)
    16.0%
  3. I have a sweet tooth and believe in low carb

    8 vote(s)
    32.0%
  4. I have a sweet tooth and believe in low fat

    7 vote(s)
    28.0%
  1. Wasting your time trader56.

    Longdip will never address your calculations directly.
    He will just dodge the issue and post more irrelevant information
    which FAILS to address anything you say.

    We all know its EASY to eat meat at every meal and keep
    FAT and CHOLESTEROL numbers EXTREMELY low.

    We have all proven this objectively with simple math.
    Everyone knows this. There is no need to continue trying
    to bash into the tiny brain of a severely retarded child like longshot :D

    I put him on ignore months ago, and there he will stay.
    He holds the high honor of being the only person on ET
    on my ignore list, for simply being so incredibly dense :D

    Now you have a much better understanding of longshotspenis
    story on my tagline :p


    peace

    axeman



     
    #101     Jan 29, 2004
  2. Look at it in simple terms...here is a picture of Longshot and GG....now, at this point in their life, should cholesterol even be a concern??? the idea is to lose weight....when your this large and have failed at every diet, what do you have to lose? Come on Long shot...you tried jane fonda, richard simmons, jenny craig....give atkins a try:D
     
    #102     Jan 29, 2004
  3. :D :D
     
    • rick.gif
      File size:
      33.7 KB
      Views:
      139
    #103     Jan 29, 2004
  4. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Ay, there's the rub. You don't ignore him . . . :(
     
    #104     Jan 29, 2004
  5. Actually.... a lot more than usual.
    But when other people get into arguments with longdip,
    they quote him and I can see the stupid ass shit he saying and
    it sucks me back in a bit :D

    peace

    axeman


     
    #105     Jan 29, 2004
  6. franklin

    franklin

    Darn! oneway has posted something worth responding to! :)
    I like what you've quoted, but have a few quibbles with the great doctor:

    The doctor seems to be generally agreeing with what us lower-carb, higher-protein followers have been saying. But he's also left out some huge factors that affect the adoption of any diet, such as,

    - taste
    - hunger
    - energy
    - indigestion
    - convenience

    For example, if you're ready for a snack in the middle of the afternoon while trading, your highest concern is not whether what you eat will extend your life another 5 seconds. In fact, if you screw up your next trade, it may well take a larger toll in stress and other bad effects.

    A really simplistic way to think of the balance between fat, carbs, and protein can be summarized with an equation something like this:

    FAT for sustained energy
    + PROTEIN to suppress hunger
    - CARBS that spike your blood sugar

    The next question would be HOW MUCH more protein and fewer carbs are healthful. This can be answered with a rule that sets a target ratio of net carbs (carbs - fiber) to protein of 1.0 to 1.4.

    The issues after that get more complicated (as shown by this thread), such as which fats, which meats, which vegetables, etc., are best to use in such a diet. However, as I've stated before, the premium that the rule puts on fiber and protein leads you in the right direction most of the time (such as to whole grain pancakes :) ). And even when it doesn't result in eliminating a bad thing like potatoes from your diet, it does exactly what the doctor recommends above: it forces you to eat your potatoes (or crackers or chips) with some protein, thereby lowering the impact of the sugars (more importantly, the protein suppresses your hunger and leads you to eat fewer potatoes/calories).

    (Okay, if interesting stuff keeps getting posted that's worth responding to, just remember that I still only intend on visiting ET and this thread once a day, so don't expect any emotional cock fighting from me. :) )
     
    #106     Jan 29, 2004
  7. #107     Jan 30, 2004
  8. Big surprise. The old guard is sticking to their low fat is bad,
    high carb is good mantra.

    And now were the fattest nation in the world, by even a larger margin :D




    Now here is an interesting article from someone who obviously
    has figured out how to get lean as hell:
    [​IMG]

    "So what’s the deal? Is the low carb/high protein diet the best way for bodybuilders to get ripped or just another fad? From a bodybuilding standpoint, the answer is an unequivocal yes; reducing carbohydrates really works!"

    http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article81.shtml


    Here is a real eye opener from Mr. SUPER RIPPED.
    Talks about his diet as he approached a competition.
    http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article57.shtml

    When approaching a competition, where he needs to
    get RIPPED AS HELL, he changes his diet as the comp date gets closer:

    Phase one: ( off season diet + extra cardio )
    55% carbs = 1760 calories = 440 grams carbs
    30% protein = 960 calories = 240 grams of protein
    15% fat = 480 = 53 grams of fat

    Phase two:
    40% carbs = 1200 calories = 300 grams carbs
    40% protein = 1200 calories = 300 grams of protein
    20% fat = 600 calories = 66 grams of fat

    Phase 3:
    25% carbs = 675 calories = 169 grams carbs
    50-55% protein = 1350 - 1485 calories = 337 -371 grams of protein
    20- 25% fat = 540 - 675 calories = 60 - 75 grams of fat


    Notice that protein and fat go UP, and carbs go DOWN.
    Look at the last phase numbers.
    This is where you should be if you really wanna drop
    fat like crazy. Of course... gotta excercise, lift, and do lots
    of cardio too. You will get lean as hell.



    peace

    axeman




     
    #108     Jan 30, 2004
  9. So who you gonna believe?

    The diet gurus, or this guy who has used his body as
    a diet labratory and studied competitive body building diets
    over the last 14 years to figure out what really works
    to win body building competitions?

    At 3.7% body fat, I think he has the diet gurus all beat.

    [​IMG]


    I think Dr. Ornish, Dr. Atkins, Dr. Sears, and the rest of the
    guys should all list their % body fat and compare :D


    peace

    axeman
     
    #109     Jan 30, 2004
  10. franklin

    franklin

    Great article. This reminds me of my doctor's first evaluation of my blood chemistry results a few years ago: he completely missed the somewhat low LDL, high tryglyceride, and high glucose levels (together an indication of diabetes risk), and instead noted that my LDL was borderline high, but not high enough to meet the HMO's cutoff for use of cholestrol-lowering statin drugs! LOL. Just another brainwashed low-fatter. (As with so many things about HMOs, you often have to figure it out for yourself and then insist that they do the proper tests, and update their own education.)

    Another dumb thing such doctors do/did, was to try to get their overweight patients to do things like "just eat an apple instead of a candy bar" for a snack. From the previous posts, you can see that this is completely nuts. The apple isn't going to satisfy either your hunger or your energy needs...which means you're going to want to eat more....but all you can eat are low-fat, carb-rich items...which aren't going to satisfy your hunger or energy needs...which means you're going to want to eat more... (What you want in fact is a "candy bar" that is balanced with respect to fat, protein, and carbs (i.e., a balanced nutrition bar), or simply some cheese with your apple.)

    It would be interesting to look at the blood chemistry of the high-carbers in the article, since another advantage of lower-carb, higher-protein diets is that, for the same weight loss, they leave you with relatively more muscle compared to fat (as axe's posts also indicate), which is tied to the drop you see in triglycerides and glucose levels. Then, when we've shown that, for the same weight loss, they are not really as healthy as the low-carbers, we could then ask them how the food tasted, how they felt after eating it, etc. That's the nail in the low-fat coffin. :)
     
    #110     Jan 31, 2004