Supreme court upholds voter ID law, disenfranchising native Americans in ND

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    We're actually asking where it's established that voting is a right? Ok then, I'm done here

    And I've repeatedly said voter fraud occurs in insignificant numbers, which doesn't warrant disenfranchising many by instituting voter ID laws. See, the same reasoning you guys use anytime there's a mass shooting (not enough people die from it to institute tougher gun laws).
     
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    #131     Oct 18, 2018
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Asking where it was established in the constitution, that's all.

    I've never used such reasoning. In fact, I've been on record saying all loopholes (such as the one that allows people to sell privately to a third party with no background check) should be closed and tougher laws should be required ensuring everyone who gets a gun is thoroughly vetted. With ID.

    Just like voting.
     
    #132     Oct 18, 2018

  3. So, no answer to where you live. You are another Nine-Ender type.

    The country has had to endure a couple years of histrionic wailing about how Hillary was the real winner but the voters just didnt turn out where the electoral votes were. Now you tell me "democrats have higher turnout in elections." Okay fine, whatever.

    Higher turnout and higher percent of turnout are two different things. No one doubts there are more democrats in lefty states with large populations.

    Anyway, glad to hear the turnout worked out for you in in 2016. Worked for me too.
     
    #133     Oct 18, 2018
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  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    Hold on one second here, buddy. Voting may not be explicit but it certainly is an inherent right. Do t mistake that.

    Now for the presidency is a different matter. How the states choose to send their electors there is not an inherent right but for Congress, absolutely.

    Additionally, numerous amendments protect the right to vote and give guidance for the age at which people can vote. Interestingly with age it’s not 18 and over, its 18 and under.
     
    #134     Oct 18, 2018
  5. UsualName

    UsualName

    Let it never be said you can’t take a punch and keep moving.
     
    #135     Oct 18, 2018
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I think his point was (and he is correct) that it is not in the Constitution. An amendment may have been passed, but that's not the same thing. Still, it is a right. So let's stop arguing over technicalities and stay on the crux of the issue.
     
    #136     Oct 18, 2018
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Good. So we can move on from the argument that the sale of guns does not always require an id and comparing the obstacles of owning a gun as an equivalency for justifying ID requirements for voting is imperfect.

    That only took 3 days.

    Comparing in person voter fraud, and notice the in person qualification because we are talking about ID requirements, to lightening striking Americans may not suit your standards but it is certainly close enough.

    There is something like 1000 cases of fraud in the last billion votes cast or which is about one millionth of one percent of fraud in the system. It’s nothing.
     
    #137     Oct 18, 2018
  8. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    https://www.investors.com/politics/...n-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/
    According to census data, it's estimated that there are approximately 3.5 million more registered voters than living adults in the US.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-ken-block-presentation.pdf
    A recent study of 21 states showed that there were 8500 duplicate votes cast in the 2016 presidential election. It's estimated that as many as 40,000 duplicate votes may have been cast, but many states refused to give up voter data.

    The amount of people who have been convicted of voter fraud is insignificant, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of voting fraud that slips through the cracks. Voter ID laws help to maintain the integrity of our election system regardless of how much fraud there actually is.

    The far left will tell you that voting fraud is basically non-existent. The far right will tell you that millions of illegal immigrants vote in every elections. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
     
    #138     Oct 18, 2018
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  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Did they consider counting the Americans living outside the country?

    Don't trust anything the Whitehouse website says with this guy at the helm
     
    #139     Oct 18, 2018
  10. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    It's my understanding that they checked the duplicate votes by full name, date of birth, and social security numbers.
     
    #140     Oct 18, 2018