https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/23/sup...york-gun-law-restricting-concealed-carry.html POINTS The Supreme Court struck down a New York state law requiring applicants for a license to carry a concealed gun to have a “proper cause” to do so, saying it violated the Second Amendment. The ruling is a major victory for gun rights advocates who had challenged New York’s restrictive law, which makes it a crime to carry a concealed firearm without a license. The Supreme Court’s six conservative justices voted to invalidate the law with Justice Clarence Thomas writing the majority opinion in the case. The Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision Thursday struck down a New York state law that requires applicants for a license to carry a concealed gun to have a “proper cause” to do so, saying it violated the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The ruling in the case known as New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen is a major victory for gun rights advocates who had challenged New York’s restrictive law, which makes it a crime to carry a concealed firearm without a license. It also represents the Supreme Court’s biggest expansion of gun rights in more than a decade and casts doubt on laws in eight other states and the District of Columbia that restrict concealed-carry permits in ways similar to New York. The Supreme Court’s six conservative justices voted to invalidate the law, which has been in existence for more than a century, with Justice Clarence Thomas writing the majority opinion in the case. The court’s three liberals voted to uphold the law, with Justice Stephen Breyer writing a dissent on the decision. The majority said that New York’s law violated the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment, which says citizens have a right to equal protection under the laws, by “preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.” Democratic elected officials in New York quickly condemned the ruling, which they said will imperil public safety. “It is outrageous that at a moment of national reckoning on gun violence, the Supreme Court has recklessly struck down a New York law that limits those who can carry concealed weapons,” wrote New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat. The case had been brought by the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association and two of its members, Robert Nash and Brandon Koch, whose applications for concealed-carry handgun licenses for self-defense purposes were rejected. New York Supreme Court Justice Richard McNally, who handled both requests, ruled that neither man had shown proper cause to carry guns in public because they failed to demonstrate that they had a special need for self-protection. The plaintiffs then challenged that denial in a federal court in New York, arguing that the state law governing concealed-carry licenses, which permits them only when “proper cause exists for the issuance thereof,” violates the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment. The law also required applicants to have “good moral character.” After a federal judge in New York dismissed the case, the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed that judgment. The U.S. Supreme Court then took the case. Thomas, in his majority opinion, wrote that New York’s proper-cause requirement, as it has been interpreted by state courts, was inconsistent with the “Nation’s history of firearm regulation.” “A State may not prevent law-abiding citizens from publicly carrying handguns because they have not demonstrated a special need for self-defense,” Thomas wrote. But Breyer, in his dissent, wrote, “Many States have tried to address some of the dangers of gun violence just described by passing laws that limit, in various ways, who may purchase, carry, or use firearms of different kinds.” “The Court today severely burdens States’ efforts to do so,” Breyer wrote.
I support this ruling. The law regarding pistol permits in New York City was overly restrictive and burdensome. All it did was restrict law-abiding citizens from defending themselves. This should also be taken in a broader context -- we need a single nationwide standard across all states regarding concealed carry permits and laws. This patchwork of laws by state and city are absurd.
We disagree. Crazies can now go to Time Square packing heat and looking for action. And until someone "makes their day" in the heat of the moment, they may well have been "law-abiding citizens." At least with concealed carry permit requirements there was some semblance of restraint imposed on the general population. There are simply far too many stupid people with inadequate impulse control to not have restrictive gun laws. Road rage is gonna be real special going forward.
They still will need to get a concealed cary pistol permit.... the decision basically says they cannot demand you have a “proper cause” in order to obtain one. A description New York City uses to deny concealed carry pistol permits to nearly everyone. No different than demanding a "literacy test" to vote. New York City and a small number of other cities will need to follow a pistol permit process aligned with the rest of the states/cities in the nation -- where anyone can apply for a concealed carry permit without showing they have "proper cause". This is not about crazies packing Times Square with heat and looking for action. There still will be a concealed carry permit process in place in New York City.
I think the Court got it right and NY got it wrong. Guys say they want to conceal carry for self-defense and want to go about the channels already established as legal in NY. NY says... "eh we dont believe your proper cause claiming self-defense so..... DENIED" Huge constitutional no no there. Imagine applying for a legal permit to hold a protest rally against an issue and NY says... eh prove to me that your rally will actually have an effect on this issue or we deny the permit.
Totally disagree with this. I’m happy in low gun violence and ownership state. Lots of money and safety here and i like it that way. This is a case of conservatives bringing down the whole country.
Well -- we will simply have to disagree. I have written up my proposed gun control measures several times -- you can look it over and see what particular points you agree or disagree with. https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...victims-police-say.318269/page-8#post-4606411