I thought this was already settled. There are MULTIPLE meanings of the word DODGE/SIDESTEP and its perfectly reasonable to read it as "the court failed to address the core issue". End of debate. The court could only fail to address the core issue, if that were their first responsibility. Their first responsibility, or first step is to examine a case technically. Just like the hiring manager examines a resume, and decides to reject or accept at that stage. The second responsibility is the examine the case on the "core" issues. Just like the hiring manager who accepts the resume represents a qualified applicant, he moves to the next phase, which is an examination of the "core" nature of the applicant. You do not get to step two until you pass step one. The case failed at step one, it was dismissed. Since the case did not pass step one, they had no responsibility to address the "core" issue. Therefore, there was no failure to address the "core" issues. So, to read it as a failure to address the "core" issues, is incorrect. To say it was a "dodge" or "duck" or "sidestep" is incorrect. They succeeded in rejecting a technically weak case, they did not "dodge" "sidestep" nor "duck" the "core" issues of the case as you imply. Case dismissed is all that happened. And.....people who have their case dismissed are always reticent to be precise in the words they use.
Blah blah blah.... Translation: ***ONLY MY MEANING OF THE WORDS ARE CORRECT*** *** I HAVE SPOKEN! I AM THE SOLE AUTHORITY! REALLY I AM! ***. Yes yes we know 777..... your are the SOLE authority on meaning. As I have stated before.... when the papers and the american atheists spokespersons said: Dodged/sidestepped, its perfectly reasonable to read that as "the core issue was not addressed". Anyone with HALF A BRAIN can see that. But since you are SOOOOOO POMPOUS, and think that YOUR definition is the ONLY one which could POSSIBLY be correct, I can see why you wont hang it up. Run along now 777.... take your silly fallacious arguments with you. No one cares. You are NOT a meaning or definition authority no matter what you believe. You can add this to your silly magical power list. 1) 777 can communicate directly with god 2) 777 is the sole authority on the definition of words 3) 777 has the only say on what a word means within a given context 4) 777 can read the minds of newspaper writers, thats how he just KNOWS what they meant..... YEah yeah yeah...we GET it. No go seek psychological help. How are those god voices in your head these days? ROFLMAOOO peace axeman
WTF: I'm sorry Axe I totally missed your thread with those 4 papers mentioned. I was fixated on the large emphasized words! In this case the press is using an un-nuanced view that the Court dodged, sidestepped, skirted, evaded, IGNORED the REAL issue and used a "technicality" as cover for the non-decision. Perhaps denying Newdow's parental status WAS a cover for not hearing this case. I can't guess the Court's intent but they were clearly within their right to make the ruling they did.
When you can't beat the argument, try to beat the person. Doesn't work, you should know that by now. In fact, the case was dismissed. In fact, the case was rejected. There is no evidence the case was "dodged" "ducked" or "sidestepped" as those words imply the Court had a choice to view the "core" issues, and made a choice not to view the "core" issues for non legal or political reasons. There is no fact to support this claim. That newspaper headlines are often filled with language that is not factual, or failure to use the correct choice of words to communicate fact is nothing new. Have you never heard of yellow journalism? The Court had no choice to view the issues, unless they willingly "dodged" "ducked" or "sidestepped" their first responsibility to examine the case technically to see if it passed the first test. No dodge, no duck, no sidestep...simply reject and dismiss at a failure to pass step one. Had they done anything less than reject a technically flawed argument before looking at the "core" issues, they would not be doing there jobs, and then they would be guilty of "dodging" and "ducking" and "sidestepping" their responsibility if they had allowed the case to continue. Those who fear precision in language, are fearful of exactness in understanding. That is why we have courts, who work very hard to keep the law precise, and continually refine the law until we can come to a greater understanding. Words are all we have, those who dismiss the need for precisness always are found lacking in communication skills. We live in a society of "ya know" "it's like" etc. People don't know how to express themselves accurately, and the guess here is that this failure to communicate clearly and exactly allows people to avoid having to take a stand on an issue. When things are vague, there is always wiggle room to say.... "Oh, I meant this, ya know what I mean?"
I have no issue with the court ruling. If he technically had no right to bring the case forward, that is perfectly fine. My issue is with the meaning of the words "dodged/sidestepped" that some people objected to. My assertion is that its perfectly fine to say DODGED, and that DOES NOT necessarily mean that you are claiming that the supreme court somehow weaseled their way out of a tough decision. Now... I used the 4 newspaper headlines as objective examples, because I know there is NO WAY anyone can claim that all 4 papers are implying some kind of weasle-ing/conspiracy without being a mind reader (which is the position ART just put himself in ) Unless you are willing to step up to the plate and actually ASSERT that ALL 4 paper writers **MEANT** that the supreme court somehow cheated or was being nefarious, then you must logically accept my assertion that using the word dodge/sidestep in this context can reasonably mean that the core church/state issue was simply not addressed. That is my position, and the fact is, no decision was made on church/state separation because they never made it that far peace axeman
When you can't beat the argument, try to beat the person. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO.... Oh you mean like when you started calling people CULT MEMBERS??? GEEEZUUUZ not only are you wrong, you are a total HYPOCRITE!!! Your silly argument has already been squashed Go away ART...its already over. You are just repeating yourself. You argument fell to pieces the instant you implied you KNEW the exact meaning of the newspaper headlines. You may THINK you can read minds, but we know different "That newspaper headlines are often filled with language that is not factual, or the correct choice of words to communicate fact is nothing new." Can you PROVE that in THIS case ART????? Can you please supply us with written confessions from the writers that they used these non-factual WRONG words??? LMAOOOO Your whole argument rests upon this. Of course you cant. Case closed. Game over. Go away banned boy. I gave 4 objective examples which showed the words can be used in different ways OTHER than the super magical special ART way. LOL!!! Get over yourself ART. You DONT have the authority to set a SINGLE definition. Sorry to disappoint you. peace axeman
dodge (____), v. [Known only from 16th c.; origin unascertained. The primary meaning and sense-development are also uncertain. Wedgwood and Skeat compare an alleged dial. Sc. dodd to jog (cf. sense 11 below), which Skeat would also identify with the base of dodder, doddle. This might perhaps pass for the sense, but the phonetic development is not evident; cf. however sled, sledge.] 1. intr. a. To move to and fro, or backwards and forwards; to keep changing one's position or shifting one's ground; to shuffle. 1704 Steele Lying Lover ii. i. 18 Don't stand staring, and dodging with your feet, and wearing out your Livery Hat with squeezing for an excuse. 1720 J. Quincy Hodges' Hist. Acc. Plague 189 Whenever a Buboe is uncertain and dodges, sometimes appearing and then going back. 1750 Phil. Trans. XLVI. 324 The Dragon fly_in a hovering Posture, dodging up and down in the Water. 1820 W. Irving Sketch Bk. I. 60 Whenever he went dodging about the village. _ b. To use shifts or changes of position (with a person, etc.), so as to baffle or catch him. Obs. 1631 Milton Univ. Carrier i. 8 He had, any time this ten years full, Dodged with him betwixt Cambridge and the Bull. 1677 W. Hubbard Narrative Postscr. 7 He began to dodge with his pursuers. 1724 De Foe Mem. Cavalier ii. 182 The King_had been dodging with Essex eight or ten Days. 1816 Scott Old Mort. xxxvi, Do you think we can stand here all day to be turning and dodging with you, like greyhounds after a hare? c. To move to and fro about, around, or behind any obstacle, so as to elude a pursuer, a missile, or a blow, or to get a sudden advantage of an enemy. 1681 R. Knox Hist. Ceylon 22 Trees, about which they may dodg. 1756 Gentl. Mag. XXVI. 426 Dodging behind the mizzen mast, and falling down upon the deck at the noise of the enemy's shot. 1845 Darwin Voy. Nat. iv. (1879) 77 He was obliged to dodge round his horse. 1859 Tennent Ceylon viii. iii. II. 331 Amongst full grown timber, a skilful runner can escape an elephant by dodging round the trees. 2. intr. _ a. To go this way and that way in one's speech or action; to be off and on; to parley, palter, haggle about terms. Obs. 1568 Jewel Answ. Harding's Detect. Foul Err. in Def. Apol. (1611) 127 If yee doubt heereof, leaue dodging in your note Bookes, and read S. Cyprian, and ye shall find it. 1577 Stanyhurst Descr. Irel. iii. in Holinshed II. 25/1 The merchant and he stood dodging one with the other in cheaping the ware. 1684 tr. Bonet's Merc. Compit. ix. 335 If the Disease go not off presently, we must not stand dodging, but give a gentle purging potion. _1763 Byrom Careless Content (R.), For lack or glut, for loss or gain, I never dodge, nor up nor down. b. To play fast and loose, change about deceitfully; to shuffle with a person; to prevaricate. 1575 J. Still Gamm. Gurton v. ii. in Hazl. Dodsley III. 254 Fie, dost but dodge. 1614 Raleigh Hist. World v. iii. _12. 418 They did him no manner of good, but rather dodged with him, euen in the little courtesie which they most pretended. 1708 Prior Turtle & Sp. 109 With Fate's lean tipstaff none can dodge. 1859 Smiles Self-Help xiii. (1860) 340 He does not shuffle nor prevaricate, dodge nor skulk. _ c. to dodge it: to haggle. Obs. 1652 Urquhart Jewel Wks. (1834) 267 That frankness of disposition_not permitting him to dodge it upon inches and ells. 3. trans. To play fast and loose with; to baffle or parry by shifts and pretexts; to trifle with. 1573 G. Harvey Letter-bk. (Camden) 15 Thus was I doggid and dodgid on everi side. 1663 J. Spencer Disc. Prodigies (1665) 256 Loth to be dodged and abused with endless uncertainties and dissimilitudes. 1697 Occas. Conformity 27 To make the matter a Game, to dodge Religions, and go in the Morning to Church, and in the Afternoon to the Meeting. 1855 Tennyson Sea Dreams 145 He dodged me with a long and loose account. 1868 E. Edwards Raleigh I. xxiv. 559 The Crown lawyers had again to dodge the case_by a trick of their craft. 4. To avoid an encounter with (a person or thing) by changes of position, shifts, or doublings; to elude (a pursuer, etc.) by shifts or sideward movements. 1680 Otway C. Marius iv. ii. Wks. 1727 II. 239 Asunder we may dodge our Fate. 1713 Derham Phys. Theol. iv. xiv. (1723) note, The Doublings of the Hare_to dodge and deceive the Dogs. 1893 E. B. Knight Where three Empires meet xxiv. 366 Rocks_would come rolling down upon us, and had to be nimbly dodged. 1893 W. Forbes-Mitchell Remin. Gt. Mutiny 19 Where blows aimed at the victims had evidently been dodged. 5. To follow stealthily, and with shifts to avoid discovery, as by keeping behind intervening objects. (Cf. dog v. 1.) 1727 Fielding Love in Sev. Masq. Wks. 1775 I. 58 La. Promise not to dodge us. Wi. Not even to look after you. 1814 F. Burney Wanderer IV. 51 If they saw any suspicious persons dodging them. 1840 Lady C. Bury Hist. Flirt xi, I will never quit you_I will dodge your steps. 6. To move (a thing) to and fro, or up and down; to lead (an examinee) to and fro in a subject of examination and not straight on. 1820 Sporting Mag. VI. 266 Two pieces of wood had been introduced between the hoof and the shoe; after replacing the shoe again the horse was dodged, and discovered to be perfectly sound. 1861 Dickens Gt. Expect. viii, He said, pompously, _Seven times nine, boy'! and how should I be able to answer, dodged in that way? 1880 Daily Tel. 7 Oct., It would be absolutely childish to go on dodging the Fleets about from Cattaro to Volo [etc.]. 7. intr. Change-ringing. Said of a bell rung in a chime, when, instead of following in its regular ascending or descending order, as in plain hunting, it is shifted one place in the opposite direction, and then in the next round back again to resume its course, until another dodge occurs. 1684 R. H. School Recreat. 101 In this Bob, when the Treble leaves the two Hind Bells, they dodge 'till it comes there again, and 'till the Treble gives Way for the dodging again of the said two Hind Bells, the two first Bells dodge, but after cease dodging, when the two Hind Bells dodge. 1872 Ellacombe Ch. Bells Devon ii. 29. 1880 Grove Dict. Music s.v. Changes, The first three bells go through the six changes of which they are capable_while the bells behind _dodge'. 8. intr. (techn.) To occupy positions alternately on the one side and the other of a medial line. 1874 Knight Dict. Mech., Dodging, said of mortises, when they are not in the same plane at the hub. By spreading the butts of the spokes where they enter the hub, dodging on each side of a median line, alternately, the wheel is stiffened against a lateral strain. 9. trans. Photogr. To use any artifice to improve (the negative) for printing. 1883 Hardwick's Photogr. Chem. (ed. Taylor) 335 The important operations of _dodging' and _printing-in'. 1889 Anthony's Photogr. Bulletin (U.S.A.) II. 349 That _dodging' had been resorted to to make the tree print well. 10. trans. Salt-making (Cheshire). (See quot.) 1884 Cheshire Gloss., Dodging, salt-making term. Knocking scale off the plates over the fire. 11. trans. and intr. (dial.) To jog (see quots.). 1802 Sibbald Chron. Sc. Poet. Gloss. (Jam.), Dodge, to jog, or trudge along. 1825 Brockett N.C. Wds., Dodge, to jog, to incite. 1869 Lonsdale Gloss., Dodge, (1) to jog, incite. 1877 Holderness Gloss., Dodge-on, to go along, making the best of an affliction__Hey! it a bad job, but Ah mun dodge-on somehoo or other'. _ 12. trans. To insinuate into by a dodge. Obs. 1687 R. L'Estrange Answ. Diss. 47 A Paradox of Conscience Dodg'd into a Popular Scheme of Government! 13. to dodge Pompey: (a) to evade work (Naval slang); (b) see quot. 1930 (Austral. slang). 1929 F. C. Bowen Sea Slang 38 Dodging Pompey, avoiding work on shipboard. Originally a naval phrase entirely. 1930 Billis & Kenyon Pastures New iii. 46 Browne detailed the laws passed, not to encourage the overlander, but rather to counteract his habit of stealing grass---_dodging Pompey', as it was known. 1961 F. H. Burgess Dict. Sailing 73 Dodging Pompey, skulking, or avoiding work by the use of any semi-legitimate excuse.
Much too exact. Look for the broadest of meanings to avoid the real issue of the use of the word "dodge" by the pissed off atheist cult member. You will find it next to the bottom, near the definition which supports a plant being an atheist.
The most common usages start at #1 and proceed down. That said, I have no dog (live or dead) in this brawl. I was just giving you guys more ammunition so I can continue to enjoy my Monday Night at the Fights for a few more hours.
Main Entry: cult Pronunciation: 'k< Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion Atheists practice the belief in atheism, the religion of atheism. They have their own creed, and dogma. They are a small group, relative to established religions. They are a cult, by definition. The man you quoted is a member of a cult, a cult of atheists, who practice atheism.