Supplement retirement income

Discussion in 'Options' started by aplino, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Yeah, my wheel strategy is in my posts.
     
    #101     Feb 6, 2021
  2. for starters, compounding doesn't work like that when you can only buy/sell options or SPY shares in integer increments
     
    #102     Feb 6, 2021
  3. Skimming through this long thread, I am confused why this is an 'elite trader' forum, yet we are posting vids by very questionable self-declared youtube gurus?

    Isn't Kirk one of many who never posts his true trading statements? I remember a thing a while back with past floor traders and investment bankers mentioning they had doubts about this guy even making winning bets from his suggestions.

    If he has changed and does make his true statements public, then I'll apologize for doubting him too.
     
    #103     Feb 6, 2021
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  4. aplino

    aplino

    The day before expiration trader sells a 10 delta out of the money SPX put (about 60 points away of the current value) and buys the next strike for a $25 credit. He does that twice a week, he wins 90% of the time and he doubles his money in 10 weeks. Not bad at all.

    Now the expected value of the trade is 25*0.9-475*.10 = -25. Trader would loose 500 in 10 weeks. Does not look good anymore.

    Is the opposite trade possible?
     
    #104     Feb 11, 2021
  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    Those of us who traded for a living since the great recession are so lucky. SPY returned >15% CAGR since 1-1-09 and QQQ is even better! It really doesn't take much to do better than 15% if you just bet with the market using a little leverage. Any method, be it wheels, buying options, selling straddles, buying butterflies.... that "beat" SPY in the last 10 years is probably just leverage because all it takes is to trade with an up bias.

    I have been full time since 2010 and attributed my general successes buying/selling single legs options on names I own as a simple bull market play. I won't confuse my brain with a bull market.
     
    #105     Feb 11, 2021
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  6. iloveksy

    iloveksy

    That's why I told this guy to buy/hold, and sell occasional covered calls. Little work, beats most of the active traders. Trying to overdo with huge leverage as beginner is what blows the account or severely under perform SPY, which I saw a lot. Also even if a little better than SPY, after tax, viola... it's under performing buy/hold.
     
    #106     Feb 11, 2021
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  7. qlai

    qlai

    I both agree and disagree. One can loose a lot of money in a bull market or make a lot in a bear market.

    I have been thinking a lot about this after 2020 was over. I rated myself at 50/50 - half skill and half bull market. My goal for 2021 is to improve that to at least 70% skill - taking the right actions at the right time.
     
    #107     Feb 11, 2021
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  8. aplino

    aplino



    I found this interesting
     
    #108     Feb 12, 2021
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: +++
     
    #109     Feb 12, 2021
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    This may be counter intuitive, but for us retails, the best approach in trading options is first keep things simple and second focus on watching the underlying as long as you are not day trading options or with a couple of days from expiration. That was the advice I got from @MrScalper a few years back and it served me well over the years.
     
    #110     Feb 12, 2021
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