still....... it's great to be able to discuss read and contribute, even if the subject is irresolvable. One good thing about dying (apart from a few tax dodges) is you get to solve the argument, but unfortunately, just like the here and now, only to yourself. Anyway, my thanks goes to darkhorse for forwarding his point of view so forcefully and for the seriously profound and illuminating thoughts from Kymar, along with the amusing posts made acuminate in fasterpussycat's own prevocative way. For what it's worth, I certainly enjoyed and learned from it all. I always said Traders are a great bunch !