I totally agree that it's wrong, and that there's a big difference between playful nips and intentional blows. Not much different than elementary school bullies hassling the new kid at the lunch table. True cruelty is never warranted. I guess I just take the perspective that people like that will always be around, and when dealing with them it's best to take the position that "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger." faster / longshot / stu: i feel sorry for you man, i really do. whatever bitterness that grips you, i hope you can break free of it some day.