firstly, history as is taught in american schools is not correct. They teach the darwin theory as if it's a fact. Archaelogists have recently uncovered evidence that past civilizations in india were as advanced as our own if not more advanced. their discoveries showed that the building architecture was very advanced, the cities had underground sewage, houses were multiple stories, running water and toilets as well. their also discovered that doctors in ancient civilizations were skilled in surgery of the brain. They found surgical tools and skulls that had been operated on. Then there is the simple fact that India has the longest recorded history, going back thousands and thousands of years. Nowhere in it's history will you find writings about cavemen. Instead you find writings of advanced civilization, cities of gold, super powerful weapons, abundance of wealth and health. They didn't need metal planes to fly, they could fly by their own powers. Not only that, they also fully understood the subtle energies. Modern science is just beginning to learn how to manipulate matter, what to speak of the more subtle energies. The fact is, all current "modern" civilizations branched out of India, and all modern technology has been borrowed from what is left of India's advanced ancient civilization. Do research on the subject, and you will find that math and physics came from the geographical location around India. Of course, then comes the degression part. We are getting smaller, living only a few years, getting stupider. We are using grosser and grosser methods to acheive our goals. Where do i get this info from? I've studied the Indian and Chinese history a bit. China mostly learned from India. I don't mean I read an American History book on India, I mean I've read an Indian history book on India. Its called Vedas in their language. Want to see something cool? Go to India during one of their big religious festivals. You will see sages in loin cloths who have lived hundreds of years come down from snow covered mountains. How do they do this? They practice different types of Yoga. We think we can invent something to make it so we live longer? Maybe we will, but it won't be new. The Indians and Chinese have applied methods of moving subtle energies in the body to make it so they live longer and they've done it for thousands of years. My point is that Modern Civilization is just not tuned in with the big picture. We try to break everything down into molecules and find the secret of life. All we have to do is look at the big picture, someone created this place. We live by his rules, and we get our eyes opened. We don't, and we keep on searching.
you're entitled to your opinion, but i have to totally disagree. clearly, our technology is advancing, not regressing. i don't see us understanding less and less about genetics, for example. to me, that right there makes your argument full of holes.
As I see things, darkhorse / lundy believes that their God is an aboslute, a given in the equation of life. If they said only that they believed there is a God then, I hold every respect for that, I would still argue the point, but nevertheless have courteous regard for such feelings. All I say is, I don't believe that to be the way to approach stuff. There are no absolutes in that context nor in many other situations and circumstances for that matter, unless an absolute is brought to the level in which humanity can test and then get to understand it. So if 2+2 = 4. That is a fact, a given because I can get 2 and add it to 2 more and show 4. But if I were able to stand outside the cosmos, and look at everything there is, I may see that in another time or existence or dimension of which I know nothing of at the moment, 2 + 2 does not = 4 . It may = 8 or maybe 0. It may be that there is another completely different construct under which, when I gather two apples together in my position in space, I displace them in another and from that angle, I have no apples or just two depending on my concept at that point. The miraculous way in which we can even do the math is amazing, but to jump straight to... it's God at work.... is in my view, not worthy of the abilities humanity holds, which when applied properly, allow for at least some understanding of the nature and maginitude of the existence we find ourselves in . Capernicus was ridiculed and worse when he said the earth was not the centre of the universe, mainly by the church, but once that proposition is proven, we categorise it as a fact in science. Science changes because it finds out, dogmatic religious statement had to change, because the religious protagonists now look stupid if they don't. Before Capernicus was shown to be right, both church and Capernicus could not say they were categorically correct. Capernicus goes out of his way to prove his thoughts but the religious teaching only ever just tells everone how it will be. If I use my unquantified beliefs as signals to trade the markets or to make statements which I say are fact, then at best I am being disingenuous to myself and others, I am also being superstitious amongst other things. Where India and China got to thousands of years ago might have been a hell of a lot further if they'd had today's science and understandings. Likewise, we would do a lot better in the future(s) (pun intended) if we find out what's really going on. ps Then again darkhorse... if your God is there and if I finally meet Him... on all the evidence I have, he'll say........ Well done stu you are da man !! come here and have a grape.....( I saved yer one which darkhorse hasn't tried ter crush....) yer had the guts to use the tools I gave humanity in the way I intended yer to..... believed nothing of what yer heard only half of what yer saw asummed nothing tested everything. pps and you don't get home free by calling yourself a fool darkhorse
if you like you new age holistic crap so much.. trash your 'puter (no products of science 4 U bub)wrap yourself in your best white tablecloth, shave your head and spend endless "happy" days chanting local street corners and airports. get a clue lundy :-/
he eschews science and reliable knowledge all the while typing and posting on his high tech 'puter. HYPOCRITE! :-/
my post was in reply to Gordon Gecko's query about why i think we are regressing. I didn't mean that we are regressing in technology, I meant we are regressing in the ability to use and understand matter. If you don't like my points. You should state your own as to why we are advancing as a civilization. Otherwise you ignorantly assume I am wrong, and you are right. What history are you going to accept? Darwin's? The whole basis for the atheistic person is that it's not true cause it hasn't been proven to him. I find this most arrogant. It's based on the "i am god" philosophy. The same things that help you in life (being humble) will help you in death. If you don't think theres a God (controller, judge) then you are putting yourself in that position. It's a contradiction. If you do think theres a God, then you shouldn't critisize other people for beleiving in God. Also, I'm not into new age stuff. Religion has been around before Atheism. Remember that. FasterPussyCat, If i offended you in anyway, i apologize. I didn't say I was above technology, or that the technology is bad... I just said what I said and i'm not sure you understood it by the comments you make.
"I didn't mean that we are regressing in technology, I meant we are regressing in the ability to use and understand matter." what do you think "technology" is? is it not an applied science, the "use and understanding of matter" (materials)? your reasoning is a mass of internal inconsistencies.
"If you don't think theres a God (controller, judge) then you are putting yourself in that position. It's a contradiction" there is no contradiction, except that lives in your little mind.
"Also, I'm not into new age stuff. Religion has been around before Atheism. Remember that." hahaha, we didn't need atheism until some dummy feeling cold & lonely one night concocted the first grand lie! HA!
"The whole basis for the atheistic person is that it's not true cause it hasn't been proven to him. I find this most arrogant. It's based on the "i am god" philosophy. The same things that help you in life (being humble) will help you in death." you say nothing here that resembles coherence. you should get together with darkhorse for evening chitchats over brandy.maybe he'll even break out his deepock chopra tapes. hehe