SuperGenius Jimmy Rogers on the NEW bailout.

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by W4rl0ck, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. Mecro

    Mecro

    Not even 2 trillion. The total mortgages outstanding are no more than a trillion.

    I would say 800 billion since, they wrote out 10x the derivatives on every mortgage. Also, consider that most of them are not in default. The derivative paper is worthless whether the mortgages are being paid on time or not.
     
    #41     Nov 26, 2008
  2. Mecro

    Mecro

    He is not though. He is simply blaming two scapegoats instead of exposing that the system was DESIGNED to do this from inception.

    He is a classic case of dis-info. I don't see him putting his riches to good use, such as supporting the movement for abolishing the Fed. And you never will. Cause he is full of sh*t.
     
    #42     Nov 26, 2008
  3. asap

    asap

    LOL

    don't be so gullible. there is life beyond rogers worthless comments. no one will ever profit systematically from these calls, because, on average, only 50% are right... stop thinking about how much did he make as well. he made what he made and that didn't turn him into a genius. just a statistical outlier. his opinions are meant to recruit a legion of followers (typically social misfits and long time losers that need scape goats to justify their miseries), and to self-aggrandizement purposes. this is very important for him because he doesn't have anything else to do with his shattered life. so, provided that he makes many calls and many sensationalist claims, he is able to perpetuate his presence and get a sense of success that otherwise would never have.
     
    #43     Nov 26, 2008
  4. Videolink to Bloomberg TV here http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143735

    Enjoy :cool:
     
    #44     Nov 26, 2008
  5. achilles28

    achilles28

    That just underscores my point.

    We're getting FUCKED - BIG TIME - by Wallstreet.

    That is not hyperbole or exaggeration.

    The Taxpayer is literally a real-time victim to the Largest Public Embezzlement Scam ever pulled.

    And yet, useful idiots are still panicking, warning the Sky will fall and the Sun won't rise if we don't fork over another XX Trillion for Bankers.

    About derivatives. They're not worthless, but more a liability than anything else. If mortgages go unpaid, and tranches default, then CDS gets paid out, losses mount etc etc.

    The cheapest solution is to shore up mortgage debt that serves as the cornerstone to most derivatized mortgage debt, and by proxy, Corporate CDS.
     
    #45     Nov 26, 2008
  6. gnome

    gnome

    I think that's the BIG secret... They DON'T get paid out! That's because everybody is expecting to get paid by someone who can't pay because he can't get paid from somebody else.

    Nobody set aside reserves to honor their obligations if called upon... they simply bought their own CDS to cover their liability.

    I think this is what's behind all of these $Trillions in bailouts.... holders of CDSs are trying to shift the loss to the taxpayer... and there are some $50 Trillion of them around the world.

    Of course, they won't tell us THAT! And perhaps the banks are blackmailing the Gummint, Treasury, Fed... saying, "Buy all of my crap paper or I won't start lending"... ??
     
    #46     Nov 26, 2008
  7. Joab

    Joab


    Excuse me, but you don't have a clue what your talking about.

    I've been trading for over 25 years and have studied the markets since the beginning of time.

    Crashes and collapses are a necessary evil.

    Without crashes and bankruptcies you don't have Capitalism you have socialism and if you think that is good then move up here to Canada for a few years and see for yourself how bad it SUCKS.
     
    #47     Nov 26, 2008
  8. Abolish the IFM and the World Bank!


    http://www.beeland.com/abolish_the_ifm_and_the_world_ba.htm
     
    #48     Nov 26, 2008
  9. achilles28

    achilles28

    There's a fine line between railing against the Establishment and exposing the New World Order.

    While I agree, he is no White Knight. At least Ron Paul had the Nutz to expose the NWO.

    Rogers is dancing around the periphery. Probably to protect his own ass under veiled or explicit threat. But its better than nothing!!

    Listen, if 5 out 10 Big Money types used their bully pulpit to publicly call for an end of the FED, like Rogers, society would put Bernacke and Wallstreet under a huge microscope, which would ultimately lead to good things!

    Every little bit helps.
     
    #49     Nov 26, 2008
  10. While I was in favor of the original TARP and feel this last 800 billion out of a hat is getting out of control, I'm still not sure we would be better off with testing the limits of society by letting everything fail.
    I think we easily forget how wealthy we are as a collective. A trillion dollars is alot of money but its still only 3k a head in the US if we set up a donation fund.
     
    #50     Nov 26, 2008