Successful Automation?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by Norm, Dec 29, 2005.

  1. mahras2

    mahras2

    That could be a factor. However, I also believe that this is due to the fact that markets nowadays are closely connected. You have fund managers holding positions in markets ranging from US equities, to East Asian currencies, to Scandinavian bonds. Thus, once any high stress events leads a considerable number of these "super macro" players you get either mass selling/buying of securities leading to increased correlation.

    Thats one hypothesis anyways.
     
    #31     Jan 16, 2006
  2. I am 100% automated.. high frequency, never hold overnight positions.. I look for 'synthetic pairs' or baskets of securities that move in some relation to another basket or single security. The average profit per trade is extremely small but makes up for it by being high volume.

     
    #32     Jan 16, 2006
  3. mahras2

    mahras2

    Interesting Steven, so you took pair trading another step by creating synthetic pairs? Were they selected due to fundamental relationships such as being the same sector etc?
     
    #33     Jan 16, 2006
  4. Essentially, yeah, I found it pretty hard to find single pairs.. easier for etfs/indicies, but still not exact. Many times they are in the same sector but it's not necessary.. it's a pretty painstaking process to find them: collection of high frequency data, testing for lead-lag relationships.. making sure they are relatively stable over time.

     
    #34     Jan 16, 2006
  5. mahras2

    mahras2

    Yea. I dont think its really possible to automatically trade obvious pairs any longer which everyone and their sister is following.

    I will soon do some research on potential "pair trading" situation in FX during high stress events.
     
    #35     Jan 16, 2006
  6. Prevail

    Prevail Guest

    Interesting discussion. Diversification is great but like some of you stated, when a high level sigma event occurs correlation is frequently absolute value 1.
     
    #36     Jan 17, 2006
  7. newbunch

    newbunch

    Make sure you've read When Genius Failed. He writes quite a lot about how all the world markets became correlated in 1998.
     
    #37     Jan 17, 2006
  8. mahras2

    mahras2

    Yes I have read it. But it really can't be missed. The terror attacks in London being a prime example when nearly every currency pair was affected by the event.
     
    #38     Jan 17, 2006
  9. How exactly were exchange rates affected? Is it a zero-sum game where some were up and some down, all down?

     
    #39     Jan 17, 2006
  10. mahras2

    mahras2

    It differed. For example naturally the GBP tanked however the CHF showed strength. This is usually expected because Switzerland is known to be a neutral country and a "safe haven" for capital in times of crisis.
     
    #40     Jan 17, 2006