Study: Housing Collapse Steeper than during the Great Depression.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Max E., Jun 15, 2011.

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    #31     Jun 15, 2011
  2. I believe this is dead wrong. I recall Franklin Gray, the democrat hack who was CEO of FNM, saying how much he wanted to take on even more subprime. It was considered the most lucrative segment of the market, don't forget, and the democrat pols who ran FNM into the ground were all about padding their pockets with huge option grants and bonuses.
     
    #32     Jun 15, 2011
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    It's a lot more than a "couple hundred billion" dollars when you add up just those 25 largely private concerns. And remember, we ended up bailing many of them out. This crisis belongs to the private sector.
     
    #33     Jun 15, 2011
  4. Max E.

    Max E.

    I have said repeatedly on this thread that i think Republican are equally responsible for the mess, what more do you want? If im attacking dems it is because of the fact that people on this thread are making it out as though the republicans were completely responsible for the mess when both parties were fucking idiots, and both parties were equal culprits.
     
    #34     Jun 15, 2011
  5. Max E.

    Max E.

    Yeah but they are ranking the privately held concerns 1 by 1 in terms of who did the most damage, Fannie, and Freddie each did as much damage as anyone in that list. The two of them may not have combined for as much as the private sector did combined, but each of them caused just as much damage individually as any other private company did individually, thus they should be on the list.
     
    #35     Jun 15, 2011
  6. Do you understand that FNM and FRE do not make actual loans but securitize mortgages? Of course they're not on that list. Neither is Lehman or Goldman.

    The taxpayers will end up pissing away several trillion bucks on FNM/FRE. Of course, FNM did manage to provide a cushy job for Barney Frank's "boyfriend, " so it's not like all the money was just wasted.
     
    #36     Jun 15, 2011
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Even more to my point.
     
    #37     Jun 15, 2011
  8. jem

    jem

    do the research -- it was weil and robert rubin, citibank, wall street creation. No question wall street buys off congress but it was rubin who was pushing this and Clinton was his "boss".
     
    #38     Jun 15, 2011
  9. so robert rubin, who was a democrat, forced three republicans to create a bill that was designed to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act? funny how there are no democrats who would sign their name to sponsor the bill. i have no doubt rubin was in favor of it but it was a republican creation.


    The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[19] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[20] After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[21]
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    In 1984 and 1988, the Senate passes bills that would lift major restrictions under Glass-Steagall, but in each case the House blocks passage. In 1991, the Bush administration puts forward a repeal proposal, winning support of both the House and Senate Banking Committees, but the House again defeats the bill in a full vote. And in 1995, the House and Senate Banking Committees approve separate versions of legislation to get rid of Glass-Steagall, but conference negotiations on a compromise fall apart.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html
     
    #39     Jun 15, 2011
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    "The Commission also probed the performance of the loans purchased or guaranteed
    by Fannie and Freddie. While they generated substantial losses, delinquency
    rates for GSE loans were substantially lower than loans securitized by other financial
    firms. For example, data compiled by the Commission for a subset of borrowers with
    similar credit scores¡Xscores below uuo¡Xshow that by the end of qoow, GSE mortgages
    were far less likely to be seriously delinquent than were non-GSE securitized
    mortgages: u.qn versus qw.rn."

    (SNIP)

    "In conducting our inquiry, we took a careful look at HUD¡¦s affordable housing
    goals, as noted above, and the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). The CRA was
    enacted in pxvv to combat ¡§redlining¡¨ by banks¡Xthe practice of denying credit to individuals
    and businesses in certain neighborhoods without regard to their creditworthiness.
    The CRA requires banks and savings and loans to lend, invest, and provide
    services to the communities from which they take deposits, consistent with bank
    safety and soundness.
    The Commission concludes the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending
    or the crisis. Many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA. Research indicates
    only un of high-cost loans¡Xa proxy for subprime loans¡Xhad any connection to
    the law. Loans made by CRA-regulated lenders in the neighborhoods in which they
    were required to lend were half as likely to default as similar loans made in the same
    neighborhoods by independent mortgage originators not subject to the law."

    http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archiv...cecloud.com/fcic_final_report_conclusions.pdf
     
    #40     Jun 15, 2011