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LongShot · Feb 20, 2004

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LS:
>for last time get this thru your thick skull,

>a baseball, people (anything with mass) "has"
>gravity, ie creates gravity.

This is where you and I will part. The cause of gravity is still not fully understood so I am not willing to use the term "creates gravity". I am very willing to use the term "has gravity" or "is accompanied by a gravitational force".

JB
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ok, i'll accept that. ART is one caught up in semantical loop of his own creation as he always is.

:-/

TM_Direct · Feb 20, 2004

Quote from Turok:

TM:
>Throw a baseball on earth, throw one on
>the moon, and throw one into space.....will
>the results be the same? Obviously not.

Are you presenting this as evidence that a baseball isn't accompanied by a gravitational field? If so, right or wrong you have connectivity issues.

>In fact the ball thrown into space without
>any sort of gravitational influence will continue
>travelling at the same speed until it hits
>something.

Now we are getting to some REAL hearty ignorance. Please find me a place in space "without any sort of gravitational influence". This is the common misconception people who don't study have of the 'weightlessness' in space -- that there is no gravitational influences as work.

You guys are a hoot.

JB

PS: and the ball thrown is space WILL NOT travel at the same speed until it hits something, but rather will vary it's speed dependent on the gravitational forces it encounters. Space travelers (mechanical and human) use these forces in slingshot maneuvers to alter speed and trajectories.
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I see....and you and others have thrown baseballs into space? You are funny ....you are so definitive in your answers..like you know from experience??? obviously the ball will change speed if it encounters other gravitational forces....but if it doesn't ? Heres a test for you and Gordon: take a baseball and put it near some feathers and some tacks.....if we came back and measured the distance two years later would they be closer? how about a million years later? BTW your beloved scientists created the whole 'things in motion tend to stay in motion theory'....so now you are saying they are wrong and your right??? I don't know 100% either way, but unlike you i don't claim to either.

Turok · Feb 20, 2004

LS:
>ok, i'll accept that. ART is one caught up in
>semantical loop of his own creation as
>he always is.

I agree. He is using the scientific uncertainty surrounding the root cause of gravity as a semantic wedge.

And TM is just plain ignorant when it comes to gravity, space and the interactions of mass.

JB

Turok · Feb 20, 2004

TM:
>obviously the ball will change speed if it
>encounters other gravitational forces.
>...but if it doesn't ?

If encounters no forces then it WILL remain at the same speed -- that is not in question.

But I ask the simple question:

Where is space can we find a place "without
any sort of gravitational influence" (your quote)?

>BTW your beloved scientists created the whole
>'things in motion tend to stay in motion theory'....
>so now you are saying they are wrong and
>your right???

Please show me where my statements have conflicted with the "object in motion tend to stay in motion" theory?

JB

ARogueTrader · Feb 20, 2004

More hubris.

Quote from Turok:

LS:
>ok, i'll accept that. ART is one caught up in
>semantical loop of his own creation as
>he always is.

I agree. He is using the scientific uncertainty surrounding the root cause of gravity as a semantic wedge.

And TM is just plain ignorant when it comes to gravity, space and the interactions of mass.

JB
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Turok · Feb 20, 2004

ART:
>More hubris.

Hey ART, did you use that on on your third grade teacher when she tried to teach you math?

JB

Turok · Feb 20, 2004

>Heres a test for you and Gordon: take a baseball and
>put it near some feathers and some tacks.....if we came
>back and measured the distance two years later would
>they be closer? how about a million years later?

Closer to what? Closer than what? Can we use cotton and nails rather than feathers and tacks? How many is "some"? How close is "near"? Are we measuring across the San Andreas Fault?

I predict it will cure cancer.

JB

ARogueTrader · Feb 20, 2004

Third grade teacher did not position themselves smugly as an "expert" in math claiming others to be ignorant.

Quote from Turok:

ART:
>More hubris.

Hey ART, did you use that on on your third grade teacher when she tried to teach you math?

JB
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Turok · Feb 20, 2004

ART:
>Third grade teacher did not position themselves
>smugly as an "expert" in math claiming others to
>be ignorant.

Hey, one hardly has to be an expert to see though TMs ingnorance when it comes to gravity in space.

JB

PS: Off to Mendocino for the weekend. Happy friday trading all and have nice weekend.

Turok · Feb 20, 2004

TM:
>Heres a test for you and Gordon: take a baseball and
>put it near some feathers and some tacks.....if we came
>back and measured the distance two years later would
>they be closer? how about a million years later?

That's amazing GG. I think he's trying to say here that if the feathers and tacks don't move towards the baseball in a million years then the baseball has no gravity.

That's funny.

JB