Stronger growth rates under Democratic administrations

Discussion in 'Economics' started by walter4, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. I think to adapt ONE approach is pretty stupid. Think about it, how often is our country, and the world around it, changing? Constantly. With that said, does it make sense to have a static economic policy in a dynamic country? Our country needs different policies at different times. It is the dichotomy between these 2 major parties that keeps things on an even keel. Why does no one seem to realize that there is no over-all right or wrong. There is only a right or wrong for our current situation.

    You are a democrat? Oh, so democrats are ALWAYS the right answer? What would our country be like right now without lincoln? What would we be like if we hadn't gone to war?


    You are a republican? I guess FDR was an idiot. Him and all those "big government" programs....Where would we be without him?

    I am 21 and this will be the first year I will be able to vote. However I can't figure out why nobody seems to recognize what I've said above. People only cling to what they believe, and they assume that they are right not only then, but ALL the time! They then search for the facts that support there position, instead of simply searching for the facts. How can the country need the same leadership all the time? Through war and peace, through a booming economy and a recession? I may be naive, but I dont think it does. I think you have to look at the country right now, today, and decide what our country needs. And surprise surprise, what we need now may not be exactly what we needed 10 years ago.
     
    #21     Sep 2, 2008
  2. To be clear I am not a republican and wont be voting for McCain.

    I will say that it was Newt Gingrich and the republican overtake of congress that finally put the breaks on the spending

    You can talk all day about the president in the white house but it was Democrats that controlled congress for most of the last 50 years. Year after year we saw govt spending go up and up and a deficit getting out of control.

    This out of control spending was retarded for a period of time with the republicans taking over the house.

    Welfare programs are almost 100% evil and worse yet they make people feel good about giving away someones money.

    you never get to see all the missed economic benefits from the dollars being spent by the people who earned them. Worse yet you encourage a cycle of poverty and self made victims that "need" help.

    In my opinion regardless of who is in office you will never get any control over either side as long as they have so much control over our lives from the ability to tax our labor.
     
    #22     Sep 2, 2008
  3. Lets say Obama wins and the market goes up 30% in '09.


    Would you give credit to BO or Bush?
     
    #23     Sep 2, 2008
  4. shaggy

    shaggy

    People are puzzled by how democratic administrations consistently perform better than republican ones. And even further, that they don't have that much control over the economy anyway. I refute that. The administration controls the country and the economy in many ways other than what Congress does. This includes setting the tone, and policies, for running our country. It also sends signals to Congress and what they will accept and deny, and therefore many times Congress will tailor legislation with acceptable compromises. The administration authors the budget, controls the cabinet positions, hires workers and directs activities, set policies, all which have an effect on our country and our economy.

    How much of a gap is there between a democratic and a republican administration? Check it out:

    All studies I saw came to similar conclusions. I took these figures from the most comprehensive of them. Links at end.

    First study 1949 to 2005 (to eliminate boom and bust of WWII and aftermath),

    Real GDP Growth:

    2.9% R
    4.2% D

    Real GDP Growth per Capita:

    1.7% R
    2.9% D

    Unemployment Rate:

    6.0% R
    5.2% D

    Change in Unemployment:

    + .3% R
    - .4% D

    Corporate Profits:

    8.8% R
    10.2% D

    Real Value Dow Jones Index:

    4.3% R
    5.4% D

    Real Weekly earnings:

    .3% R
    1.0% D

    CPI Inflation rate:

    3.8% R
    3.8% D

    http://www.boom2bust.com/2007/12/12/is-a-republican-president-really-better-for-the-economy/

    Next shows these numbers, 1960 to 2005:

    Federal Spending:

    + $60B/year R
    + $35B/year D

    Federal Deficit:

    $131 B R
    $30 B D

    Growth of federal deficit:

    + $36 B R
    - $25 B D

    Increase in GDP:

    + $165 B R
    + $212 B D

    Inflation rate:

    3.89% R
    3.13% D

    Unemployment:

    6.38% R
    5.33% D

    http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/03/opinion/oe-kinsley3

    If you go back to 1929 in the first study, surprisingly, the democratic numbers get even better!

    If you move your results a year either way to account for policy lags, the democrats still are well ahead.

    And finally, another study shows that under democratic administrations, all income classes do quite well, but the lower classes do exceedingly well. Under republicans, only the upper classes do well.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php
     
    #24     Sep 5, 2008
  5. Aok

    Aok

    Good catch SP

    Prez is only 1/2 the story. The other half is congress. OP might want to research what happens to the stock market when Prez = Dem, Congress = R

    Hint. Market has done better than with any other combo. Probably because their idiocy cancels one another out.
     
    #25     Sep 5, 2008

  6. Excellent post, kid.

    Very good.
     
    #26     Sep 5, 2008
  7. snackly

    snackly

    Bingo. This is a really poorly reasoned argument. There are so many factors out of the view of these points. Wars, global trends, etc.

    The better way to look at this is to measure the current stated policies of both candidates against the current economic situation. Otherwise you expose yourself to the long tail. There is simply not enough prior data to draw conclusions. Read Fooled By Randomness and you will see what I mean.
     
    #27     Sep 5, 2008
  8. Mercor

    Mercor

    The numbers reflect the fact that the republican president left a better economy for the Democrat.

    In the first year the president has no input, his is stuck with the budget of the last president. So they need to stagger the time frame by one year , start it in his second year.

    If that happens the republicans do better
     
    #28     Sep 5, 2008
  9. Yeah sure, Bush Sr. left a perfect economy for Clinton.
     
    #29     Sep 5, 2008

  10. Following that rationale, what do you have to say about our current economy, which was better in bush jr's first 4 years (the ones he supposedly inherited from clinton) then his last 4 years,

    It seems Bush jr left Bush jr a really shitty economy :)
     
    #30     Sep 5, 2008