uh, max, who cares? the vietnam war was totally wrong in the first place, we had no business down there propping up a highly unpopular and totalitarian regime, and we messed up an entire us generation for a war deeply flawed from the outset, look how many were killed and maimed for absolutely no reason, but even more so as it went on and on for no reason for more than a decade, the only outcome death and misery, and all because some idiots in washington fancied the idea of testing out a misconceived dominoe theory. these are the relevant points: success in propping up the evil government in south vietnam? just like we propped up saddam in his war against iran? peace movement contributing to a large percentage of us combat casualties, as opposed to it playing an important role in ending the most imbecilic war happily nodded off by congress this country has ever engaged in, at incredible cost to an entire generation? brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior: Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133
sorry libs, but your leadership has abandoned you. Don't be like the japs hiding out in the caves after WWII was over. Come on out, admit reality. Sadam has got to go and the sooner the better.
"uh, max, who cares?" So first you deny the premise, then when you think you are going to be proven wrong, it's "who cares?" "the war was totally wrong in the first place, we had no business down there propping up a highly unpopular and totalitarian regime," When Saigon fell, the VietCong executed tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. More than a million people were thrown into gulags and "re-education camps." Tens of thousands of boat people perished in the South China Sea in their attempt to get out. "and we messed up an entire generation for a war deeply flawed from the outset" Thanks to not prevailing, thanks to the "peace" movement. "success in propping up the evil government in south vietnam?" Again, the alternative was worse. "just like we propped up saddam in his war against iran?" You mean Saddam was about to be overun by his own people? please. "btw, the nobel peace prize for jimmy carter was a very clear signal from the nobel committee against bush's agenda re saddam, sthg that has never happened in the long history of the nobel peace prize before." Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha................. Please, your pal Yassir got one too.
now, mondo, looks like you've been practising maxies methods for too long: of course the point is about iraq. we cannot afford a pointless war as we have much more pressing problems at home, nor is there indeed any reason to start such a war. as far as ideology goes, oh dear, that is such a cheap game, trying to instrumentalize that for lack of arguments, just like bush hasn't been able to come up with a single good argument up to this day for another equally stupid war like vietnam. to a large extent ideology is being instrumentalized like games played by children in kindergarten, mere name calling for the sake of hoping to undermine credibility through compartmentalizing. not that i think that too many voters are still falling for such cheap games anymore, these games are rather net contributors to the ever decreasing faith many people have in their politicians nowadays as evinced by numerous studies. as for congress, oh well, congress has always approved every dumb war this country has engaged in, there was never any reason to suspect that they wouldn't do so this time. Almost 40 years ago, Congress kowtowed to another president from Texas and approved the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution â based on the repeated lies of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that Red patrol boats had attacked U.S. warships on a supposedly routine mission off North Vietnam, which the senior admiral in the Pacific had predicted months before would provoke exactly this type of response and result in an escalation of the Vietnam War. Only Sens. Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska stood tall and voted "nay." When Morse chillingly predicted we'd lose the war and LBJ would go down in flames, most members of Congress responded that they were patriotically backing the president in a time of crisis. They should also match what the ordinary folks who elected them are saying against the national polls' war chantey, "Let's Push With Bush Into Baghdad." Last week, I visited four states, and all of the hundreds of average Joes and Janes I spoke with were for U.N. inspectors returning and our tightening the choke leash on Iraq enough that nothing gets in or out without going through a U.S.-manned checkpoint. A Vietnam combat Marine told me: "Certainly Saddam is a tyrant and a threat to his neighbors. But so are the leaders of Syria, Iran, North Korea and, for that matter, Pakistan. All of our comrades who died in Vietnam and those of us who vowed 'never again' will now again watch another generation march off to war without the approval of the American people." "Who'll pay for it?" asks another citizen. "We all know it'll be our kids. They're the ones who will pay, as it has been since the Revolutionary War. Those who reap the rewards are of a different category." "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts" is here! One of America's most decorated soldiers, Col. David Hackworth, writes about the hopeless to hardcore transformation of the 4/39th Infantry Battalion and lays bare his most daring and legendary tour of duty. Col. David H. Hackworth, author of his new best-selling "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts," "Price of Honor" and "About Face," has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of World War II to the recent fights against international terrorism. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29035 so, congress simply did what it's done so often, not, of course, that that should mislead anyone into thinking that there is any reason for this war, which of course there isn't, as the rest of the world sees very clearly, leaving us to pay the bill with money we do not have. now, i'm sure that poor colonel david hackworth, one of america's most decorated soldiers, who has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of world war II to the recent fights against international terrorism, will be the subject of derogatory activities, as of course a voice of reason cannot be allowed to stand tall without an attempt at undermining his credibility through some name calling or equally clever games, hehe. The threat from Iraq is exaggerated. Other despotic countries have or are seeking weapons of mass destruction (Syria, Libya, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia), have invaded their neighbors (Syria, Libya, and North Korea), and even used chemical weapons (Libya in Chad during the 1980s). Moreover, Iraq's military has been devastated by the Gulf War and a decade of sanctions. Americans should ask why the United States -- half a world away -- is more concerned about the Iraqi threat than are Iraq's neighbors. http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-19-02.html brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior: Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133
Originally posted by max401 LBJ ran Vietnam by committee and that and his general battle plan methodology doomed any chance of success. BTW, the peace demonstrations in this country contributed to a large percentage of US combat casualties. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- oh max, back at your time honored games again, hehe. good god, this is so incredible it's almost funny. success in propping up the evil government in south vietnam? peace movement contributing to a large percentage of us combat casualties, as opposed to it playing an important role in ending the most imbecilic war happily nodded off by congress this country has ever engaged in, at incredible cost to an entire generation? dear boy, do rapidly check into a mental asylum of your choice, while you still have any choice, that does seem highly indicated, particularly as time seems to be running out rather quickly at the rate you're going. brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior: Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133
max, now, be a pal, and answer the questions being directed at yourself: fruitcake, more like it, our slanderer, dissembler and spin master in chief, max. the job he was born for would have been assistant to mccarthy, seems like he missed his opportunity of a lifetime, there, or maybe work for some totalitarian regime somewhere for some kgb like association of good old boys just trying to have some fun. as i wrote earlier RE max and his conniving little dirty games vs rs7, or actually anybody else who doesn't share his lowlife warmonging tendencies: max, there you keep on playing your evil minded games... let's have a little less of your rather pathetic fact twisting and dissembling, if not to call it outright lying, as indeed rs7 has divulged way more of himself and his private history than could ever have been warranted by the rude and instrumentalized charges you have been directing at him with incredible pertinacity, of course, that didn't satisfy you, as you were never after the answers, your agenda was attacking his credibility through your little games and rhetorical questions... and, the point is, as you very well know but are disingenuously ignoring for your little character slandering ploy: having been, or not having been, in combat, cannot be proven or disproved on a board, but it is also thoroughly immaterial to the discussion at hand, because, genius, you do not need to have been a soldier let alone have been involved in warfare to be able to imagine death or mutilation on the one hand, or come to an educated assessment of strategic diplomatic, geopolitical and economic consequences of war on the other. so, for a change, let's get some facts from you for a change: i do wonder, though, what with max's insistence on delving into others private backgrounds just to shed some doubt on the material content of their messages, if the dear boy, now that we have verified his gender, is actually planning on applying for a tour of duty himself? or if he would prefer to be a couch potato warrior, getting his thrills from watching manipulated tv coverage of the war that makes it magically appear surgically precise and clean, with a remote control as his only weapon and a beer or two his only consolation for an opportunity missed on purpose to hmm, go kick some ass. but, then again, how could he prove his reply to us? oh dear. brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior: Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133
pray, oh master of lies and spin, how does someone of your inclination respond to one of america's most decorated soldiers, who has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of world war II to the recent fights against international terrorism, will he also be the subject of derogatory activities, as of course a voice of reason cannot be allowed to stand tall without an attempt at undermining his credibility through some name calling or equally clever games, hehe? why, you might be really clever and call him a friend of arafat, what? Almost 40 years ago, Congress kowtowed to another president from Texas and approved the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution â based on the repeated lies of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that Red patrol boats had attacked U.S. warships on a supposedly routine mission off North Vietnam, which the senior admiral in the Pacific had predicted months before would provoke exactly this type of response and result in an escalation of the Vietnam War. Only Sens. Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska stood tall and voted "nay." When Morse chillingly predicted we'd lose the war and LBJ would go down in flames, most members of Congress responded that they were patriotically backing the president in a time of crisis. They should also match what the ordinary folks who elected them are saying against the national polls' war chantey, "Let's Push With Bush Into Baghdad." Last week, I visited four states, and all of the hundreds of average Joes and Janes I spoke with were for U.N. inspectors returning and our tightening the choke leash on Iraq enough that nothing gets in or out without going through a U.S.-manned checkpoint. A Vietnam combat Marine told me: "Certainly Saddam is a tyrant and a threat to his neighbors. But so are the leaders of Syria, Iran, North Korea and, for that matter, Pakistan. All of our comrades who died in Vietnam and those of us who vowed 'never again' will now again watch another generation march off to war without the approval of the American people." "Who'll pay for it?" asks another citizen. "We all know it'll be our kids. They're the ones who will pay, as it has been since the Revolutionary War. Those who reap the rewards are of a different category." "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts" is here! One of America's most decorated soldiers, Col. David Hackworth, writes about the hopeless to hardcore transformation of the 4/39th Infantry Battalion and lays bare his most daring and legendary tour of duty. Col. David H. Hackworth, author of his new best-selling "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts," "Price of Honor" and "About Face," has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of World War II to the recent fights against international terrorism. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29035 The threat from Iraq is exaggerated. Other despotic countries have or are seeking weapons of mass destruction (Syria, Libya, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia), have invaded their neighbors (Syria, Libya, and North Korea), and even used chemical weapons (Libya in Chad during the 1980s). Moreover, Iraq's military has been devastated by the Gulf War and a decade of sanctions. Americans should ask why the United States -- half a world away -- is more concerned about the Iraqi threat than are Iraq's neighbors. http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-19-02.html brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior: Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133
"good god, this is so incredible it's almost funny. success in propping up the evil government in south vietnam? peace movement contributing to a large percentage of us combat, blah, blah, blah . . . " vvv, excuse me, are you smoking dope? I have already responded to this post. Why are you reposting it? Watched "Groundhog Day" too many times?
how does someone of your inclination respond to one of america's most decorated soldiers . . . One thing's for sure, I know Hackworth was actually in the service and in combat.
I doubt if vvv stands for Veni, Vidi, Vici, but nevertheless, maybe he should change it to: VSA - Vidi Scalperi Adhaeri (I Saw, I Cut, I Pasted).