strike on iraq

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ElCubano, Sep 6, 2002.

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    #811     Oct 10, 2002
  2. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    Glad to have you back......uptick4000.....week 7 you are going to get smoked....A back spasm isnt easy....
     
    #812     Oct 10, 2002


  3. Are you claiming Jews cannot enter Saudi Arabia?
     
    #813     Oct 10, 2002
  4. rs7

    rs7

    Not when your passport has been stamped in Isreal. Not claiming. Stating a fact. Same in Syria.

    You are going to dispute this too?

    rs7
     
    #814     Oct 10, 2002
  5. Here ya go. Scan that stamp and the front page blocking out your name and other information and post the jpg.

    And while your at it, let's see the stamps and or visas from "And I have been in almost every country in Europe."
     
    #815     Oct 10, 2002
  6. To be fair, here's one of mine:
     
    #816     Oct 10, 2002
  7. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    .The Russians got into their Vietnam (Afghanistan)
    right after US got out of theirs

    .US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years,
    and viewed them
    as freedom fighters against the Russians

    .As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of
    every single Taliban's
    official in Afghanistan

    .There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area
    than in Saudi Arabia,
    but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the
    oil out.

    UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to
    build a 1,000 mile
    long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan
    to the Arabian Sea

    UNOCAL spent $10,000,000 on geological surveys
    for pipeline
    construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for
    their support in
    allowing the construction to begin

    .All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas
    negotiating with
    UNOCAL
    in 1998.

    1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw
    UNOCAL out of the
    country and awarded the pipeline project to a company
    from Argentina

    .John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress
    and said no pipeline
    until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly
    government was established

    1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people
    in the world.

    Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was
    told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military
    action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000).

    9/11 WTC disaster

    Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
    none of the hijackers
    came from Afghanistan

    Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
    proof saying it's a
    "secret".

    Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden
    if we showed them
    some proof. We refused; we bombed

    Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's
    about getting the
    terrorists."

    We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for
    UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai).

    Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to
    deal with that new
    government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to
    UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi).

    The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil. George Bush Sr. (Father) works with the
    "Carlysle Group" specializing
    in huge oil investments around the world.

    Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to
    Washington. Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza

    Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate
    Haliburton before becoming VP of USA

    Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000 as a farewell
    gift when he left Haliburton. Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business

    There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the
    Caspian Sea area.

    President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai,
    (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build
    proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
    Pakistan via Afghanistan

    It's the Oil, Stupid!"
    (And all the while we were told it was about terrorism
    and freedom)

    Mr. Joseph Clifford contributed above article to Media
    Monitors Network (MMN) from James Town, Rhode Island,


    Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?


    Josh
     
    #817     Oct 10, 2002
  8. There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.

    Not true. There are several pipelines already in operation:

    Atyrau (Kazakhstan) to Samara (Russia), linking to Russian pipeline system;

    Baku to Supsa (Georgia), terminating at Supsa Black Sea port;

    Baku via Chechnya (Russia) to Novorossiisk (Russia), terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;

    Baku via Dagestan to Tikhoretsk (Russia) and terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;

    Tengiz oil field (Kazakhstan) to Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal.

    Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
    none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan


    Against Afghanistan? Not even worthy of a response.

    Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
    proof saying it's a "secret".


    Right. The world is still waiting to "find out" who did it.

    Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?

    Wouldn't it have been a hell of a lot easier just to take over Kuwait and/or Iraq in 1991?
     
    #818     Oct 10, 2002
  9. The Strong:

    "By a wide margin, the U.S. House of Representatives has approved a war powers resolution that gives President Bush the right to use military force against Iraq."


    The Weak:

    "Progress appears to be slower on the international diplomatic front, with permanent Security Council members France, Russia and China still opposing a tough resolution backed by Britain and the United States authorizing military force if Iraq does not comply with weapons inspections. "
     
    #819     Oct 10, 2002
  10. While you're doing "Oil History 101," look into who developed the Saudi Oil Fields that have been a sore spot for quite a while. Also look into how they became the property of the current possessors. Then explain why we continue to pay prime dollars for the products. You might also look into why we don't just pump Mexico's oil more.

    Further erosion of your argument would come in the arena of Kuwait. We could have easily taken control of most of the production resumption there. The Caspian Sea argument also has a lot of holes in that there are many others already there and there are easier locations to tap right now.

    One of the easiest ways to change things around would be to start aiding in the development and purchasing of more Russian and South American oil. Develop stronger competition to the Saudi cartels. It would take different production assistance and commitments for those regions, but I believe it could prove worth the gamble in the long run. :)
     
    #820     Oct 10, 2002