I said it a thousand time I think I am anti war and I think the US is just trying to find justification to attack certainly not for the iraki people of for human rights but for OIL.. There are no clear evidence this is what chirac said of the statement published by Blair... and too many people were killed for nothing.. the US never wanted to have a democracy in the region and you know it.. What should be done is instead of attacking a country that was the west best friend in the region is to stop the embargo and leave those people alone.... Even germany after the eviction of HItler and the end of the nazi did not know an 11 year embargo... so what else do you want me to say...
So you believe that the world should lift the sanctions and then leave Saddam alone? But just a while back you were saying that inspectors should go in? and before that you said that you agree that Saddam should be removed and that he is a bad guy? which is it? And by the way your analogy of Germany and Hitler is a bit odd as evicting Hitler (Saddam) from Germany (Iraq) is what is being proposed. So are you saying that the world should 'evict' Saddam just as they did Hitler?
But really stupid... I cannot understand that people as stupid as you can exist on planet earth.... 1/ For me the inspections will lead to nothing. Iraq has been disarmed... It is just the war mongers Bush and blair that tries to convince the rest of the world that Iraq is a threat ... everybody was fooled in 1990 nobody is today except stupid peple like you 2/ leave them alone and stop killing innocent children.. you are participating to this killing by your blindness and by voting for a cow boy like Bush... I posted 1,000 posts that were all well documented... may be too well documented for your small brain... since your only view of the world is (saddamm is a bad man waowwww and Bush is good) are stupid at that point wake up open your eyes... bush and cheney are not what I would say saints nor is Saddam but : As haliday said "These are undeniable facts known to us as two former insiders. We are outraged that the Iraqi people continue to be made to pay the price for the lucrative arms trade and power politics. We are reminded of Martin Luther King's words: "A time has come when silence is betrayal. That time is now."
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0308-02.htm On Dec. 7, 1987, the U.N. General Assembly voted 153-2 (with one abstention) to approve a resolution that condemned international terrorism. The two nations rejecting the resolution were the United States and Israel. The resolution also urges all states "to contribute to the progressive elimination of the causes underlying international terrorism and to pay special attention to all situations, including colonialism, racism and situations involving mass and flagrant violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms." Now the no-votes by the United States and Israel, and their positions on terrorism, become clearer. Both nations oppose terrorism, so long as we have the definitions straight. From the U.S./Israeli point of view, violence committed by Israel against Palestinians is defensive. So, Israel's military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, routine use of torture, arbitrary demolition of homes, and political assassinations are not examples of terrorism, but are simply necessary for defense. Palestinian violence in resistance, though always at a far lower level, is terrorism. Similarly, when Israel occupied Lebanon throughout the 1980s and '90s in violation of U.N. Security Council resolutions, the violence of that occupation was defensive, and Hezbollah's resistance to that occupation was labeled terrorism. if we were to take seriously the moral call to end domination by colonial regimes, certainly Israel's occupation of Palestine would be among the first to be addressed. Everyone is aware of the complexity of the situation in Israel/Palestine, but we all should be just as aware that Israel occupies land conquered in war in violation of international law. That is colonialism.
I still hope peace is possible but unfortunately there are still too many people that are brainwashed... Open your eyes we have the chance of having the internet and not having only the info leaders want to impose on us... And no I am not anti american, nor anti jewish not anti whatever you want... I am pro peace but certainly anti stupid people whatever their race religion sex... I am a tolerant person and I can accept others views but not views that are viewing the killings of more people as a good thing and as a collaterla dammage... God bless the whole humanity TF2000
And now the humorous side of Traderfut2000 comes up, finally. He is pro peace, as long as it his is achieved on his terms. He is not anti american, he just blames america for all the world's problems. Of course the US isn't 100% responsible, the Isrealis are the devil's presence in the middle east. And we who disagree with him are "stupid" or "brainwashed". Traderfut makes claims in which he states his opinions (or usually someone's who he has cut and pasted) as facts. I truly thought Traderfut was an intelligent and reasonable man. I respected his insightful interpretation of the Koran when he was defending Islam in the thread about "the worst religion" But now I see that being intelligent is meaningless if one is closed minded and fanatical in their beliefs. His political beliefs are scary. And his sense of history is non existent. He was "too young" to remember what happened in the '72 Olympics. Well gee, seems like he must have internet access. But maybe his provider only allows him to access anti american and anti israeli sites. He could have informed himself about what happened with the monsters that disrupted the Olympics in the name of the PLO..and their saintly Mr. Peaceloving Arafat. And the criminal behavior of the German government in conspiring to help the prisoners escape. But it is essential for him to post link after link of what he thinks validates what he believes. So we are subjected to his "opinions" and the self serving editorials of those with whom he agrees. Opinions are just that. Not facts. So why does Traderfut cop out on the Olympic massacre? Because there is nothing BUT facts. And facts are irrelevant to Traderfut's arguments. Because they conflict what he says. And that is just too inconvienient. I know that people debate issues here to try and get others to change their minds. Well, Traderfut has certainly managed to get me to change mine. I thought he was bright and objective and informed. But now I see he is narrow minded, full of hatred, militantly anti democracy, and totally uninformed. He is (as he loves to express it) "brainwashed" and convinced that the lies he is told are all true. And anything that disputes these lies are western propaganda. I am proud to be an American. I am proud that America is a place founded on tolerance and freedom. I am proud that we can accomodate people from all over and welcome them to our shores. This way of life obviously left us vulnerable to attack last year, but still, in the big picture freedom never comes cheap. But in the nations that Traderfut so admires, they haven't the vulnerability we have....unless they want a war. And not a war precipitated with a sneak attack (their style, not ours.....let's see, there was the attacks on Yom Kippur in 73, and then in Afghanistan the American forces tried to suspend bombing on the Islamic Holy days. And 9/11, well there are no words) . I don't want to see a war in iraq either. I don't think anyone wants that. But if it is the only way to depose a menace to humanity, sadly it is an option that must be considered. And these arab nations...well they have one thing going for them..They are not vulnerable to terrorist attacks like we in the west are. Because they allow so little freedom that if one were to want to perpetrate an act of terrorism, it wouldn't be possible. No one can move about freely. But the real truth is, those with the mentality to commit acts of terror are all allied with those in power in those places anyway. Imagine an Israeli or American suicide bomber with a religious or political agenda trying to score points by killing kids at a disco or a pizza place. Then imagine their leader...lets say Bush, or the infamous "war criminal" Sharon bestowing financial compensation to the family of the suicide bomber. Doesn't happen. But still, all the violence, all the loss of innocent lives, all that is bad in the middle east is the fault of the Israelis and the evil US. Sounds like Hitler's scapegoat approach to power. It is the same thing. And it is dangerous that there are so many Tradrfuts out there that go along with this approach. He says he wants peace. But just not yet. Like Arafat, he must strive to achieve all his objectives and eliminate the disent before commiting to a war of aggessioon (again). What a joke. Racial profiling is illegal here, but not elswhere. So those that wish to harm us put horrible pressure on their "brothers' here. But what do they care? It gives them something else to complain about. Me, I can't even get into an Arab country anymore. So I can't get profiled because of my blue eyes and light hair. Yes, I am certain that Traderfut will respond with how Israel killed 17000 starving orphaned little children. And Israel is a rogue state run by a war criminal. This is good that he will say this. Because I have not heard it enough times. Maybe a few more times and it will sink in through my thick head. Up until a few weeks ago, I always thought that peace was attainable in the middle east. All that was required was the removal of Arafat, and the Palestinians could have their own nation. And that Saddam would fall eventually because the people of Iraq would someday soon say ''enough is enough". But now I have a further understanding of the mentality of the fanatical minds of the followers of the true descendants of Ismael. I am despondent that Traderfut has made me realize that there is NO reasoning with fanantics. Very scary!!! rs7
Keep talking TraderFut, your true colors are showing. The more you talk, the more the truth comes out, but it isn't the truth that you think it is. Intelligent people can read between the lines of your insults and see your insecurity.
When you talk about a massacre of 5 person in munich and you forget the bloody genocide of Sabra and chatila with 15,000 person and you consider that Sharon is a man of peace ... you fool nobody but yourself.... don't fucking say to me that you want peace... I cannot even compare those 2 events... all the terrorits that killed "5" person are dead today the killer of 15,000 palestinian is today governing Israel... Jew were massacred by Hitler and they vote for a hitler... Scarry... By the way this year is the 20th aniversary of Sabra and chatila do you remember it or do palestinian lives mean nothing to you... you will bring me the next terrorist act that occured after 1972 where 2 persons where killed???? You never ever had a word of compassion for those people and you always hide behind I don't like Sharon but Isrealis need a hard man.... Stop contradicting yourself Israel elected a man that shoud be in prison and yet he is continuing his crimes with the backing of fanatics like you that don't want peace... Read Uri you should learn a lot from him... but you are too old and already too closed in your mind... and may be you also finance bloody settlers to take more land and to oppress more palestinians... you are scarry and disgusting... Your real face a appeared...
The guy that have no respect for the internationa community is Sharon not Arafat... all the countries of the world even the pope asked him to stop and he is like a crazy fanatic and a coward he is.... No I has respect for you, but if you defend a guy like Sharon and justify his terrorist acts then you are scarry...