Please do not confound media, government and so on these are 2 different things .... Moreover, I talked to you about what was said on public television so what else more can I say... and in Europe contrary to your affrimations the only one person that is pro american is Blair but even in his own governement he is marginalised .... I assure you that the vast majority of european media are agaisnt war and contrary to 1990 they are not diabolising Saddam but Bush... This guy don't even want to take into account the United nations... and if you've heard the Russians and China they are not in favour of an attack...
Traderfut12000 Short and sweet. What are you saying?? America HAS ulterior motives, Europe DOESN'T??? Logically, if both have ulterior motives, what's your fucking point? Just tell me what's your God damn point please!! P.S. My point is, it's not about democracy, it's about oil, Saddam and "friendly" Saudi Arabia (we won't need them that much if Saddam is gone). Unfortunately it's about Israel too.
are you referring to the media or to the governments here? AFAIK, no other country has expressed support for Bush's war plans, officially - the most vocal has obviously been Blair, but I haven't heard that an official position has been taken. this might no longer be true, though - if you have any links to official statements please post
Of course Europe have motives and of course they are also interested in oil... But does that justify killing and starving more and more people... and that is where Europe differs... Europeans in general and even many americans don't belive the crap said by Bush and knows that these are just justifications to attack a country Irak... Now many people media in Europe are against US policies.. and they are listening... that is why Shroder said he will never go to war on Iraq with or without UN agreement and Chirac said that there should be no unimateral attack.. The governments of those coutries are listening their own people who are not manipulated anymore.... that does not mean that they won't go to the US but they know that they cannot fool their people like they did in 1990... And that should be the same in the US unfortunately so much brainwash over there... Do you get my points????
anyone who thinks differently to YOU is brainwashed? that's your basic position isn't it Traderfut? can you understand why it is SO frustrating trying to discuss anything with you? either somebody agrees with you, or he has been brainwashed. you rarely, if ever, state facts, just cut and paste other people's opinions (who happen to agree with you) and routinely IGNORE the points the other side brings up, or else simply wave them off with your "brainwashed" line.
I don't think Bush has formally laid out any plans so there is nothing for any of the allies to agree to. Thus far Bush loudly rattles the sabre while his PR people say that all the options remain open.
I am not talking to you... But contrary to you I am bringing facts and not attacking based on nothing.. This is more your speciality but everybody on Elite knows it....
Don't be lazy and take a look at alll the thread and the discusion from the beginning... I think there were too many repetitions ...
I say let Bush go ahead with his crazy war and let him kill a few hundred thousand innocent civilians and let him steal Iraqi oil... the resulting backlash from the world community will be equivalent to 100 WTC attacks, and Bush, through his crazed policies, will be 100% to blame for the effects of retaliatory terrorism commited by the brothers, sisters and children of the innocent victims of American aggression... hatred for the USA (policies, not people) is already at boiling point globally, and more crazy adventures by the USA will make even the rational, non-muslim citizens of the world smile when American blood is spilt in revenge for the blood of the innocent victims of American terror.... Europe will smile, Arabs will smile, Asians will smile, and NO sympathy will be forthcoming from the International Community.... this craziness of the US Administration must stop, or the US Administration will be endangering its civilian population... and when the American masses wake up to how they have been duped by their leaders, they will vote to power a somewhat more benevolent leadership, and the legacy of the Bush clan and its advisors will rightfully be relegated to the dustbin of history... God Bless America...