Strategy: Selling Put Options: The Best Income Method?

Discussion in 'Options' started by botpro, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. gkishot

    gkishot

    Do you realize that if you sell option & buy it back immediately you are already losing money?
     
    #81     Mar 1, 2016
  2. botpro

    botpro

    Yes, the spread effect between Bid and Ask...
    But let's be realistic, in this case that won't happen because of the calculated-in cushion (stop-level) into the strategy, agreed?
     
    #82     Mar 1, 2016
  3. Good thing math test not required to trade options.... but it should be...
     
    #83     Mar 1, 2016
  4. botpro

    botpro

    Ah, ok, I see it should be $49...
     
    #84     Mar 1, 2016
  5. botpro

    botpro

    Ok, a typo, should be $49.
     
    #85     Mar 1, 2016
  6. botpro

    botpro

    Sorry, there was a typo in the calculation ($490 vs. $49). Here's the fixed version:

    Applying the same strategy, but now using a strike that is 10% off of the current spot and using current quotes gives that yield:
    Code:
    INTC
    29.59 -0.21 (-0.70%) 4:00PM EST on 2016-02-29-Mo
    
    Calls May 20, 2016
    Strike    Price    Change    Bid    Ask    Volume    Open Int
    ...
    26.00    4.00    0.00    3.95    4.10    -    22
    27.00    3.50    0.00    3.15    3.25    -    139
    28.00    2.48    -0.15    2.40    2.53    5    172
    29.00    1.95    +0.25    1.75    1.79    105    8032
    30.00    1.33    -0.02    1.20    1.24    38    5529
    ...
    
    Puts May 20, 2016
    Strike    Price    Change    Bid    Ask    Volume    Open Int
    ...
    26.00    0.45    -0.02    0.47    0.51    14    3122
    27.00    0.57    -0.08    0.65    0.71    21    2668
    28.00    0.95    +0.02    0.92    0.98    1106    7248
    29.00    1.26    -0.03    1.28    1.35    17    8029
    30.00    1.73    +0.03    1.76    1.82    30    1152
    ...
    
    Code:
    cur_spot = 29.59
    days     = 81 (= 2.7 months)
    strike   = 26 (about 10% lower than the current spot)
    mid_put  = (0.47 + 0.51) / 2 = 0.49
    credit1  = mid_put = 0.49
    profit_potential_normal         = 0.49 / 26 * 100 = 1.8846%
    profit_potential_with_5x_margin = 5 * 1.8846 = 9.42%
    
    Now we have a big cushion of 10% before the stop can hit.

    The total credit is of course: 0.49 * 100 = $49 for each contract.

    When using just 1 contract the capital bound is: 26 * 100 = $2600,
    of which only 1/5 ($520) is our own money, and the rest ($2080) is margin.

    The profit is fix 9.42% in 2.7 months (annualized 49.2%) as long as the stock doesn't fall more than 10%.
    (IMHO very unrealistic that INTC falls more than 10%)

    Btw, in this analysis the "right entry time" has not been analysed, ie. FA & TA, as well ex-dividend dates etc.
    The Call quotes are of course not needed here, it's just for the archive...

    Now, this I would classify as a "safe investment".

    PS: "mid_put" of course indicates that we are using a limit order in between the Bid and Ask spread, not market order...
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2016
    #86     Mar 1, 2016
  7. botpro

    botpro

    The beauty of this strategy is also:
    - one does just 1 trade in 2.7 months... ;-) (maximally 2 trades if the stop gets hit).
    - to get stopped-out is very unrealistic because of the big cushion of 10% calculated-in.
    - a fix profit of 9.42% in 2.7 months (annualized 49.2%) as long as the stock doesn't fall more than 10%.
    - the profit (ie. the credit) is received immediately when opening the position.
    (but this is of course the "unrealised profit" up-front; only after the expiration date it becomes "realised profit").
    - the own account (excluding the credit) is protected by the 10% stop level, ie. is risk-free under normal market conditions.
    - ...

    Of course in reality one would do many such trades with different stocks in parallel to apply diversification.

    PS: the annualised profit has to be reduced by the interest paid for the margin. For example at the broker IB the interest paid for margin is 1.87% p.a.
    That means we have to subtract that from the 49.2% above, giving us a net annualised profit of 47.33%.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2016
    #87     Mar 1, 2016
  8. gkishot

    gkishot

    Do you realize that you don't have any cushion or bid/ask spread wouldn't be an issue.
     
    #88     Mar 1, 2016
  9. botpro

    botpro

    Hmm. can you give an example with numbers?
     
    #89     Mar 1, 2016
  10. botpro

    botpro

    Come on guys, admit that this is indeed a brilliant strategy,
    even if it is just a conservative investment strategy without any "action" like in daytrading ;-)

    I like especially the maths behind it: everything can be pre-calculated before opening the trade and can clearly be verifed by everyone.

    I have not provided yet some probability computations, but that will follow soon...
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2016
    #90     Mar 1, 2016