Straddles, are they ever profitable?

Discussion in 'Options' started by TradeCat, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Nice work.

    Part of the reason long straddles tend to look so unprofitable is nobody includes the PL from delta hedging along the way. I'd guess the 4wk looks much better with the delta hedge PL.

    ...it often turns long straddles from unprofitable to profitable. I understand frequent delta hedging is costly but doing the exercise using cost-less hedging is instructive. Practically it's also more difficult leading into earnings since the underlying doesn't move much.
     
    #101     Jul 22, 2016
  2. sle

    sle

    The real question is - are you trading gamma (so actively delta hedging and paying/collecting theta) or vega (still delta hedging, but in long dated options where gamma is theta/gamma is negligible). Those are two very different trades - in the first case you are predicting realized volatility and trading implied volatility against it. In the second case, you are deeming implied volatility being too cheap or too rich and betting on the change.
     
    #102     Jul 22, 2016
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  3. CBC

    CBC

    When I was trading straddles it was only stock. I've traded other stuff since like ES, 6E, 6A, ZN.

    No Vol scanner, if the underlying was moving around a lot I would study it to see if I could trade it. Anything with flat trading would simply have its chart thrown in the bin.

    I think the main focus needs to be on the underlying. The end result of the trade will be where the underlying ends up and they are called derivatives meaning they derive their value from a different source, so the source should be the thing studied.
     
    #103     Jul 22, 2016
  4. trilogic

    trilogic

    Thanks- moving around a lot ? Asin the ATR was above a certain level or had some sort of range ?
     
    #104     Jul 23, 2016
  5. trilogic

    trilogic

    How would you or anyone have an edge of predicting realized volatility so that one can trade implied against it ? Im sure it can be done but who is good at it and how much return and how measured >> thnx
     
    #105     Jul 23, 2016
  6. sle

    sle

    You can do it fairly well using a combination of backward-looking analysis (historical volatility, history of events) and forward-looking analysis (is the world better/worse now, is this even drastically different from previous ones etc). The less en vogue is your underlying, the less people look at it's vol and the more you can achieve with an analysis like this.
     
    #106     Jul 25, 2016
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  7. trilogic

    trilogic

    So me trying to buy Vol . in gold is fools game ? Long run...
     
    #107     Jul 25, 2016
  8. sss12

    sss12

    @sle ...if I'm interpreting correctly, you believe there is a good deal of subjectivity (vs objectivity) in trying to predict vol ? thanks.
     
    #108     Jul 25, 2016
  9. If you could predict vols, we would not have an option market... predicting vols is the uncertainty that creates most of our derivatives markets,.
     
    #109     Jul 25, 2016
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  10. Straddles, are they ever profitable?

    Generally speaking, I would say No... Nothing in trading is easy or fixed or set it and forget it.
    You need a certain degree of skill to execute and manage the trade successfully.
    o_O:)
    Trading is part art, part science. -- The sooner you realize that, the better you will be off.
     
    #110     Jul 25, 2016