Straddle / Strangle questions

Discussion in 'Options' started by TraderNewb, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. Thanks, kinggyppo. About the handle, I've been trading stocks for a few years now and have gotten into options last year. I'm not that successfull in either so I still consider myself new. Recently, I got into straddles because I thought that the risk can be manged better since the stock can go up or down to make money. I've done 4 now, two profitable, two not profitable and just wanted to ask more questions about how I can be profitable more often.

    Although I don't understand the greeks too much (like how they're calculated) I do understand that time decay is what can make you lose money the fastest. Also, after the company reports earnings, the volatility can go down too, which also makes the options price lower.

    Do you trade straddles/strangles? If so, what do you look for in the stock ( I look for a consolidation pattern)? Also, when do you buy the options (how far from the earnings date)? And, what expiration do you look for?


    Thanks :)
     
    #11     Dec 21, 2007
  2. $15.05 was the print, doubt too many people got that.
     
    #12     Dec 21, 2007

  3. I would recommend reading "trading options for a living" thread at least the first 20 or 30 pages. These guys really should charge for this information. The gist of the thread is that there is no inherent edge (advantage) in selling vs buying an option. Lucky for us retail folk there are sharks like Atticus who will swoop in on incorrect pricing and keep the markets relatively fair. As to your question, yes I do trade straddles sometimes and I understand the risk. I usually trade options intraday and rarely hold for a long period (theta decay is a great way to lose money). I trade options mostly directionally and spend alot of time watching the screens. For example, this morning RIMM opened way up but the longs have to cover and the news (the earnings) are already priced in. Therefore, my assumption is that the stock would give back a few points so long puts and out for some lunch money. How do I know this, hours and hours of screen time, you see patterns develop over time. I would recommend you watch the screens, markets, tape as much as you can and learn as much as you can. Read every thread here that interests you. There are some good traders on this board, when I first started if I liked a trader I would read his posts to see where he was coming from. There really is no shortcut. Even great traders lose a lot, just because something should happen doesn't mean it will especially in the markets. Risk management is to me the end all be all as you need to survive first and then work on being profitable. I would check out "ES journal" and "AHG" grail thread. Good trading to you, keep asking those hard questions. :)
     
    #13     Dec 21, 2007
  4. Personally I thought it was. Especially with Halo 3 sales, which leads to more x-box sales, which leads to more x-box live subscriptions, I thought it was pretty obvious they would raise guidance. Paired with the fact that tech was somewhere everyone was wanting to put their money because of the market conditions.
     
    #14     Dec 21, 2007
  5. Here is one of my favorite setups, a failure pattern and gap fill all in one. Enjoy.
     
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    #15     Dec 21, 2007
  6. lar

    lar

    You should know your Greeks and your synthetics. I had an "aha moment when I understood the answer to this question. What is the diference between a straddle and a strangle? Ans. A Butterfly. Read Cottle. Read McMillian. Read Natenberg. Read Caplan. Read Johnston.
     
    #16     Dec 22, 2007
  7. Yea, I know I should really get to know about the greeks and how they can help out more. What books in particular do you suggest?
     
    #17     Dec 22, 2007
  8. I have an Options Trading question. I'm new to options but have basic level 200 understanding. I'm using Tradeking as my broker.

    The question I have is what is the best way to buy say a straddle so as not to be raped by the market makers on the bid ask spread.

    1: Leg in each side using market or limit order?

    2: Place straddle order at market?
     
    #18     Mar 24, 2008
  9. Depending on your broker, you would like to enter both trades simultaneously. My broker ( I trade Future options on the ES (emini S&P 500) does not allow simutaneous entry, for market orders on futures options are not permitted on Globex. So, I ahd to leg in. I shorted the lower premium leg first..once that order was filled, I legged into the higher premium trade. I actually got a better total premium than if I had simultaneous order capability.
     
    #19     Mar 25, 2008
  10. #2 is probably your best way to get robbed, especially if you are doing an equity play like GE. You can call your broker and have them walk you thru it. They are discount so ask them what is the best way. You will rarely see pros use market orders unless there is massive movement under way or getting out of a large order. Buy straddles on liquid options and ones with lower volatility (search historical vols). Also, you can chop a leg if you get a big move, 300 dow point days are pretty common this year. Good trading.
     
    #20     Mar 25, 2008