i know this won't apply as much to intraday traders, but how are you successful traders using stops on swing trades or longer timeframes? as we all know, if you place an actual stop order, it's easier to keep losses small. however, it's also easier for that stop to get hit. an alternative would be to only validate the stop if it closed above/below your stop price. of course, this can lead to larger losses but maybe the stop is less likely to get hit. if this method was used, you could also set an order to at least limit a big loss.