Stops at Genesis

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by BrownianMotion, Dec 4, 2005.

  1. I'd be interested to experiment between Genesis stops and specialist stops. Which would give you a better fill?
     
    #31     Dec 8, 2005

  2. With respect to NYSE server-side stops:

    * You can choose any order type (not just DOT stop and DOT stop limit orders). That improves your fill potential because you can access ECNs for liquidity also. And because server-side stops are fully automated, you often get filled quicker.

    * Depending on how they're coded, server-side stops can trigger off the bid or ask prices, instead of just the last trade like specialist stops. These execute quicker because you don't have to wait for a trade to trigger the stop when a level is broken. Hopefully Genesis server-side stops allow for this--it's more like a conditional order, which is more flexible.

    * In the event of very bad/good news or a huge seller/buyer, the specialist could hold the market (and your stop from being executed). Meanwhile, ECNs will often still be trading and give you a chance for an exit before the specialist puts up a big print.

    * Server-side stops entail zero chance of a specialist trying to "run your stops" to generate liquidty, volume, or profit for his proprietary account.
     
    #32     Dec 8, 2005
  3. Serge Pustelnik

    Serge Pustelnik Genesis Securities

    As Promised, we have released TraderStop Version 1.0 module within laser today.

    You can download it from our web-page.

    Please note, this is NOT server-side, but rather client-side stops.

    Attached is a full description on how this works.
     
    #33     Dec 12, 2005
  4. Serge,

    First off, these stops will be a big help to traders who previously didn't have non-exchange stops. So you deserve applause for adding them. Hopefully more brokers will wake up and add non-exchange-held stops soon.

    I have a few comments, however, in the spirit of offering constructive suggestions:

    1) Client-side stops entail MUCH more slippage than server-side stops. For example, when a T-Stop is triggered, it means that a trade message had to travel to the trader's PC before his/her PC notified your server to execute the stop. Assuming a 75 millisecond ping time to your servers, this means there is a built-in 75 millisecond delay in T-Stops. That might not sound like much, but compared to REDI+ Sigma stops for example (which are server-side), your T-Stops will execute later every time--costing traders money. In short, client-side stops generally cannot compete with server-side stops.

    2) If a trader's client goes down, or has internet trouble, client-side stops are useless.

    3) T-Stops trigger off the last trade price. In the next revision you should allow them the option of triggering off bid/ask prices--which can save execution time because the stop doesn't have to wait for a print.
     
    #34     Dec 12, 2005
  5. Serge Pustelnik

    Serge Pustelnik Genesis Securities

    I really appreciate and welcome all feedback.


    1 & 2) I agree with you that client based stops have more slippage then server based one. This is our first release and all this does is create an automated module to replace the actions of the trader. In due time we will release a server based module (which will have more than just stops). This is a huge project and we want to do this the right way.


    3) Version 1.1 will have this feature (released in a few weeks).
     
    #35     Dec 12, 2005
  6. Serge, That's excellent. Thanks.
     
    #36     Dec 12, 2005

  7. Serge,

    Is version 1.1 is now available with stops that trigger off bid/ask prices?

    Thanks...
     
    #37     Jan 25, 2006
  8. Serge Pustelnik

    Serge Pustelnik Genesis Securities

    It is up on the internet.

    Includes:

    I. Stops (T-Stop)
    a) Absolute Amount
    b) Fixed % off open cost

    Triggered by:
    a) Last Print
    b) Bid
    c) Ask

    Filtered By:
    a) NBBO
    b) NYSE only.

    And.
    Client Trailing Stops (T-TStops)
    Basis (same as T-Stops)
     
    #38     Jan 28, 2006
  9. Serge, Great news! Look forward to trying them...
     
    #39     Jan 31, 2006
  10. Math_Wiz

    Math_Wiz

    Is TraderStop still available? I don't see it on your website under the "Download Software" section.

    Thanks,
    +-*/ Math_Wiz
     
    #40     Aug 15, 2006